Need the CD/DVD in the drive?

[Verenti]

Hurrah! I second that bold statement. Power to the people! Hurrah! Hurrah!

Seriously, I've shelled out my money on a pre-order. I've already bought the game, Isn't that proof of my loyalty to the franciase enough? Can't I be trusted with after I've commited the X gigs to install it to run it at my own volition? Or is occupying the cd rom drive with a music cd too much of a bold statement for the suits at Take 2?

I realise that its to prevent pirating... for like five seconds, but Come on! We're paying customers, infact we're PAID customers, a good deal of us anyways. But I supposed in this modern world that values greed, Paid customers are far less valuable than Those yet to be Paying customers. After all, They already have our money.


Vive L'Revolution!

[Kinjiru]

Oh, I would imagine that pretty much everyone that frequents Poly agrees that the requirement to have the disc in the drive is pretty stupid, especially given how many folks play on a laptop. And I would imagine that most, including myself, agree that there is no moral issue with using a no-cd crack if you have purchased the game.

As has been said many times, by many folks, the publishers are doing nothing to stop piracy, they are just making life more inconvienant for their legitimate customers. The music industry is starting to come under flak for the same thing (music cd's not playing in certain car stereos, home entertainment systems and computers).

It is this short-sighted mentality that will see the collapse of the publishing regimes. P2P will not bring them down, but whatever comes next, will. I seriously cannot imagine the current environment still being in place ten years down the road.

[GeoModder]

/me groans at yet another crack reasoning thread.

Aren't the same arguments chewed over a thousand times already?

[wgabrie]

You know, Civ 4 will have a lot of media! Probably why it ships on DVD. Some of the progam's Data may acually be on the DVD too. To save space.

And, to all You shameless pirates. It's people like you that made developers require a disk to run in the first place. And also caused the downfall of Shareware's play first buy later model.

[dearmad]

Tell that to Stardock. That's total bull**** wgabrie. If you respect the customer, it is returned in kind.

No cd in drive for Galactic Civs... Brad Wardell GETS it- and he has my loyalty for it and that of many many customers.

I've had to d/l cracks to get LEGIT copies of games to run due to the damned copy protection! That is total ****! Especially since I do NOT pirate anything: OS, games, music, you name it- I purchase it; I purchase direct from artists when and where I can too. (Only original art is hanging up in my computer room).

[padlock]

While I don't like copy protection, I understand that it does serve a purpose. Sure a CD check won't do anything to stop a determined hacker, but it will help prevent 'casual' piracy. You know the kind where someone 'loans' his disk to a neighbour/relative to give the game a 'try'.

Having come to terms with the fact that copy protection is a necessary evil, what I'd like to see is having a choice of either having to have the disc in the drive, or doing some kind of online verification everytime the game starts up (kind of like steam).

The physical check would be useful for people who aren't constantly connected to the net (ie. those on laptops, those without broadband, etc.) or those who simply worry that an online verification system would constitute an invasion of privacy, and the online check would serve as a convinience to those like me who are always connected to the net, and are to lazy to put the CD in the drive.

[dearmad]

You didn't bother to think past your nose did you to come to your conclusion. Copy protection is NOT needed.

Stardock, again, has proven this.

What is needed is respect for the customer, and a realization that copy protection has no affect whatsoever on sales.

[wgabrie]

[GAZ082]

The casual pirating is true. But that is what, like 10% of the pirate copies? The rest 60% will be get directly from the net and the other 30%, purchased to pirates.

It is a pain in the ass and a unnecessary risk of the disk.

[Brutus66]

Originally posted by dearmad
Especially since I do NOT pirate anything: OS, games, music, you name it- I purchase it; I purchase direct from artists when and where I can too. (Only original art is hanging up in my computer room).

Thank goodness for that. It would be a tragedy indeed if Britanny had to settle for the Gulfstream III model instead of the IV she had her heart set on. Those of us who download music should feel shame indeed.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by wgabrie
And, to all You shameless pirates. It's people like you that made developers require a disk to run in the first place

Not really. The reason developers put protection in the games are because they believe 1 pirated copy = 1 lost sale, which is not the case. In many cases it's actually the opposite, where a player recieves a copy of a game and decides to buy the game as soon as they found out it was worth it. If someone didn't give me a copy of Civilization back when it was just released I wouldn't have bought it (and Civ2/3 and now 4) later because chances are that I would have noticed the game later would be too small (I don't know anybody else who plays Civ, so nobody to show it to me)...

Also most of the games I buy don't have much of a copy protection, one of them even had the no-cd crack included in the official demo of the game
While games with a bad copy-protection is sure to get a "don't buy" stamp from me, so using such a protection only hurts themselfes (in many ways)

[JonahFalcon]

Originally posted by dearmad
You didn't bother to think past your nose did you to come to your conclusion. Copy protection is NOT needed.

Stardock, again, has proven this.

What is needed is respect for the customer, and a realization that copy protection has no affect whatsoever on sales.

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Stop comparing Civilization IV with Galactic Civilizations. Is GalCiv in TIME magazine? Entertainment Weekly? The New York Times?

Is GalCiv going to have 3 million units pressed and sold?

There's a huge huge huge HUGE HUGE HUGE difference in the two.

Brad's not going to

1. have a mass number of pirate copies made
2. not lose millions of dollars if his game is pirated in advertising, box design, etc.

I severely doubt you'll see pirated copies of GalCiv being sold for $1 by a Chinese street vendor.

[Sabre2th]

Originally posted by JonahFalcon
I severely doubt you'll see pirated copies of GalCiv being sold for $1 by a Chinese street vendor.

No, but you'll see them for Civ4 with or without protection.

I agree with some of what you said, but your logic is flawed as well.

[dearmad]

Originally posted by Brutus66


Thank goodness for that. It would be a tragedy indeed if Britanny had to settle for the Gulfstream III model instead of the IV she had her heart set on. Those of us who download music should feel shame indeed.

LOL you're confused: YOU d/l Brittany music... *I* BUY stuff that actually has merit. I don't begrudge an artist his wealth if the artist achieves wealth.

I'm not small and jealous like that. But keep d/ling Brittany to keep her out of her GS IV...

[Nikolai]

Paradox's games does not require the CD, if you don't count their older games from before EU2 v1.05. I can't see why we should need the DVD in this game either if we choose full install, but again game companies can't be trusted make such decisions right mostly.