Nuke Preview on CivFanatics

[prscormier]

Lets talk about Nukes !!

Include pics and an animation of some boor b*****d getting nuked

[Shogun Gunner]

cIV's implementation of nukes almost identicial to Civ2/Civ3 nukes

You can't move the nuke from the city you build it in. There are no tactical nukes is one difference from Civ3 and you can vote for a Nuclear Non-Proliferation in the UN. Those are the only differences I can detetct.

So, in other words, things may not be markedly better. I dare say that most people found nukes rather useless in Civ1/2/3 due to the unbalancing or weird uses of these weapons by AI. Also most games never reach that phase before there is a winner.

[korn469]

Once again nukes sound like they ****ing blow, SDI and bomb shelters sounds too powerful, and it doesn't seem like they included MAD in the game. I really hope I can mod this.

[Illuminatus]

So if you want to nuke a big stack of enemy units next to your own city, you will not be able to do that in Civilization IV. One time I had a spy unit lurking in an enemy city and when I tried to nuke the city, it wouldn't let me -- I had to move the spy out of harm's way first.

This sounds bad. There should be a warning, not a prohibition.

(Note that in Civilization IV, the civ that builds the United Nation does not automatically become UN Secretary General -- voting for the position takes place first and the winner can propose resolutions to vote on. Once three resolutions have been voted on, the Secretary General election takes place again.

Huh? I hope there is also a time limit on being Secretary General.

[conmcb25]

Nukes are still pretty cool, just look at the old lady in the CIV ANON video

[Boris Godunov]

I agree, I don't like not being able to use nukes within my territory agains invading enemies. I think a desperate regime might do just that (an Independence Day scenario, I suppose). And not being able to nuke your own forces? How can an evil despot live with that prohibition?

I often modded nukes out of my games in Civ2/3 anyway. I never found them fun to use, and it certainly wasn't fun receiving a surprise nuke attack. While the animation looks awesome, I'll probably mod them out in Civ4 as well.

[dearmad]

Originally posted by Illuminatus

So if you want to nuke a big stack of enemy units next to your own city, you will not be able to do that in Civilization IV. One time I had a spy unit lurking in an enemy city and when I tried to nuke the city, it wouldn't let me -- I had to move the spy out of harm's way first.

This sounds bad. There should be a warning, not a prohibition.

(Note that in Civilization IV, the civ that builds the United Nation does not automatically become UN Secretary General -- voting for the position takes place first and the winner can propose resolutions to vote on. Once three resolutions have been voted on, the Secretary General election takes place again.

Huh? I hope there is also a time limit on being Secretary General.

read the article more closely. 3 resolutions = new secratary vote.

[Boris Godunov]

I believe he understood that, he wants a time limit in addition to that. What's to stop someone from becoming SG and then just sitting on it and not making any resolutions, holding the spot forever?

[Nikolai]

But his point was that there should be a time limit.

[Kataphraktoi]

they look just as weak as the prevoius installments

hopefully someone makes a planet buster mod. turning 4x4 tiles into water and destroying those bases rocked

[Kataphraktoi]

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

and if the other civs say so you cant defy the UN?!

sounds sucky

[Nikolai]

I'd guess you could defy them, but at a price of course. Look where the Axis of Evil ended.

[RGBVideo]

cIV's implementation of nukes almost identicial to Civ2/Civ3 nukes [...]
You can't move the nuke from the city you build it in.

This isn't true, you could move nukes within your own territory in Civ2. I sure hope it's possible to mod the units easily enough so you can make moving icbm's possible; otherwise it's back to playing good ole MGE with Rah, DD, et alii for me.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Nikolai
I'd guess you could defy them, but at a price of course. Look where the Axis of Evil ended.

It doesn't seem that way, as the article states that, should the UN pass the treaty, nobody can build or use such weapons, period. It even blocks building the Manhattan project.

This isn't true, you could move nukes within your own territory in Civ2. I sure hope it's possible to mod the units easily enough so you can make moving icbm's possible; otherwise it's back to playing good ole MGE with Rah, DD, et alii for me.

At the risk of engaging in another long argument with someone, is this really that big of a deal? I mean, nukes have infinite range, so is there a need to move them around?

[Lambiorix_be]

What bothers me most about the current use of nukes in Civ3 and now also in Civ4 is that they are considered as a weapon with only a local impact. The reason why the world hasn't colapsed in a nuclear war is because everybody knows that the fallout of such weapons have global effect (increased cancer, degrading crops etc). The radioactive clouds would circle the globe for many, many years (euh turns )

And why does a nuclear exchange trigger global warming instead of a nuclear winter (another potential global effect)?

So for me the nuke feature in Civ4 is

But off course the rest of the games seems