Seriously: WILL CIV IV run in Win2000?

[petermarkab]

Originally posted by ml_4da3
The idea of ownership of "patterns" is stupid.

If clever people making a living as programmers, artists, musicians, engineers had no ownership of the work they created how would they earn money? In fact where would the financial incentive be to train to be a programmer, artist etc if they were guaranteed no income from their work? The obvious conclusion from this is there would be none, so no commercial music would be recorded, no new imaginative designs would be drawn and no consumer-ready games would be programmed. And where would that leave us? No civ 4!

regards,
Peter

[Solver]

Guys, please keep the discussion about the acceptability of piracy out of this thread - it's for OS discussion, and specifically as OSes pertain to Civ4.

[nbarclay]

If someone pirates something that he or she would never have bought anyhow, the creator of the material does not lose anything. But if someone pirates something that he or she would otherwise have bought, the creator of the material does suffer a financial loss from not being able to make the sale. If essentially everyone would pirate instead of buying, there would be no money to develop commercial products.

There is also a second-order effect that is a lot more subtle. A person who pirates some products may, because he or she already has the pirated products, buy fewer other, similar products (particularly products on the border between "buy" and "don't buy"). That can result in an overall loss of sales in an industry, and thus in a reduced incentive to produce, even if none of the pirated products is something a person would otherwise have bought.

Edit: I wrote this while Solver was writing his post above.

[dearmad]

Fine. Sorry.

It's painful when you've had people steal your intellectual property, though.

So, will ANY beta tester let us know if win2000 worked?

[sophist]

I'd be really surprised if they didn't support Windows 2000. Disappointed, too, because that means I'd have to pay another $150 to play Civ4 on top of the $50 for the game and $60+ for a good enough video card.

[Disk Killer]

Originally posted by dearmad


How on earth are you characterizing my disgust with your (and other pirate) attitudes as knee jerk? I LIVED through what it is to make a living by selling creative property. IMO your "absolute truth" is irrelevent as you have no way to prove it, just an assertion, no facts.

My facts were my bank aco****, my clients, my publisher, my editor, et. al.

I don't know why you're saying I was implying you alone as guilty of a knee-jerk attitude; I was saying that in general it is better to think things through before speaking, or acting. This was not aimed, it was for everyone.

Now, your replies do seem to skirt that line, however you are obviously arguing from the standpoint of a content creator; as a programmer I understand your point of view and appreciate it.

That being said, you should attempt to at least listen to what I was trying to say; if I, as a 10 year-old, had never played SimCity, I would never have missed it.

Having received a underground copy, I promptly rushed out and bought the two expansion tilesets (Europe and Asia) and then all of the sequels (SimCity 2000, SimCity 3000, SimCity4). I am absolutely sure this would not have happened had I never played the first (and as a 10 year-old with a $5 a week allowance, I did not have the ability to buy games at random with the *hope* I would like them).

The same with Civilization - it was lent to me, I copied it (not having a clue what it was); tried it and loved it. Bought CivII, CivIII, and now will buy CivIV.

You may judge my youth, but in my mind it is inescapable fact that the hundreds of dollars of purchases I made later in my life were due to the ability to try out the initial releases when financial constraints would have stopped me from being able to.

[Disk Killer]

Originally posted by Solver
Guys, please keep the discussion about the acceptability of piracy out of this thread - it's for OS discussion, and specifically as OSes pertain to Civ4.

Sorry, Solver, I was replying while several other replies were posted into the thread.

[Solver]

It's painful when you've had people steal your intellectual property, though.

I fully sympathize with that. Just about all the money I earn is from my intellectual efforts.

As for the question of Win2000, I can't answer that, as I'm running XP.

[Disk Killer]

Originally posted by Solver

It's painful when you've had people steal your intellectual property, though.

I fully sympathize with that. Just about all the money I earn is from my intellectual efforts.

As for the question of Win2000, I can't answer that, as I'm running XP.

Solver,

As a *Test* that is not 100% guaranteed to replicate a true Win2000 test, you could try the following:

-Right click on the CivIV executable, choose Properties
-Go to Compatibility tab
-Click the checkmark, then choose Windows 2000
-Try to run CivIV, see if it complains.

[Solver]

That won't do it - such emulation through the Comatibility tab does, in fact, not replace the API message maps, so it won't give me an indication.

I am, though, quite confident it runs on Win2k.

[ml_4da3]

Originally posted by dearmad
The above is OK to post in here?

It should be as ok as doing anti-piracy propaganda; if not, apolyton is not neutral in this political issue.

Originally posted by dearmad
I can't believe how selfish you people are in your pitiful attempts to legitimize small behavior.

..sigh.. The exact same thing can be said about you, but this does not lead anywhere.. We both have different views on how our society should work, both with different reasons. You want to make money, I want to create a better society for us all.

But where I live its the anti-pirates that is having the toughest time to convince the population - not us pirates. Piracy comes very natural to humans and is not something to dismiss, "as stupid, stinking and evil" so easy as you do.. ..it is not even certain that piracy has ever lost you any money..

One intresting thing is that you assume I am a content "consumer" and not a content "producer"; but why would you do that assumption? What makes you think I am not a net producer?

Anyways, I agree that we should not discuss if piracy is good or bad; we should stick to civ on this forum, or else we could go on for hours...

[MeaCulpa]

Until last year, I was using W98SE, but more and more games didn't run (e.g. Doom 3). So I changed to W2k. According to friends, it was good enough for playing, it doesn't spy on you, and I had the opportunity to get a cheap copy from a company insolvency.

A few weeks ago, I tried to install the "Age of Empire 3" demo - it doesn't work on W2k. It is XP exclusively. The publisher of this game is M$, I do know the history of XP and NT, and I don't see a technical reason why it should be limited to XP. Unless they want to "convince" people to spend money on a new OS. Honi soit qui mal y pense....

Why do people stay with old and obsolete OS's? (not trying to bash anyone... a serious question)

Because it works. Never change a running system. I really doubt there is one good reason it can only run XP except my "paranoia" and conspiracy theories.

[Kataphraktoi]

go to www.heavengames.com there is info on how to install on win2000 anyway.its just a arbitrary MS thing

personally,i use emulators such as vmware.i have win98,linux,basicly anything i want on a winxp puter. the only way to go

[Locutus]

I can't say I pity anyone who can't run a game because he has Win2K. That was never intended to be a gaming OS, you knew that when you bought it...

That said, the more OSes Firaxis can support the better of course. We can only wait and see...

[snoopy369]

I've only seen one game that supported XP and not 2000, AOEIII demo ... but i don't play that many games We'll see I guess.

I'm sort of dissapointed though in the lack of aggressive moderator response to the overt suggestions of piracy here ...