Your Worst Fear for Civ 4 (The Negativity Post)

[self biased]

that gav thorpe will somehow make the game suck.

[M. le Comte]

My worst fear is that, on the diplomacy screen, the player wouldn't be able to trade borders .

I mean, in the reality, borders aren't defined only on a cultural basis. Sometimes states trade borders because having a little more or a little less territories serve their strategy.

For example, when the newly-born Italia gave Nice and Savoy to France, in the meantime they kept the Aost valley, although people there spoke French. But defending France without the Aost valley was much simpler. And defending Italia with the Aost valley was much simpler too.

So, it would be wonderful to be allowed to pass agreements on borders changes on the diplomatic board. But in the same time, not implementing this aspect of international relationships would greatly damage the whole game.

Controling a montain next to the border can make you win a war. It's nothing but fundamental.

[player1]

My worst fear is that game will have such good cd-copy protection, that I would be forced to have original always in drive.

And I don't want to have original in drive, since I don't want to scratch CD. Games are already too expensive where I live.

[Ninot]

Originally posted by player1
My worst fear is that game will have such good cd-copy protection, that I would be forced to have original always in drive.

And I don't want to have original in drive, since I don't want to scratch CD. Games are already too expensive where I live.

i'll probably install the game, play right away, and not play another game for months, thus having no need to remove the CD at all.

[Aro]

My Civ III CD has been in the drive for years

[player1]

I rememer when I scratched Warlord3 CD, it was very painful for me to give up from the game. Not to mention that I could not find place to aquire it again.

[Dis]

Originally posted by player1
My worst fear is that game will have such good cd-copy protection, that I would be forced to have original always in drive.

And I don't want to have original in drive, since I don't want to scratch CD. Games are already too expensive where I live.

I just hope someone comes up with an unathorized no cd patch on a place called: **** **** world. The same kind of patch I used for civ3 in fact.

I never steal games (at least not games made this decade). But I prefer not to have a CD in the drive to play them.

[Addled Platypus]

Originally posted by M. le Comte

I mean, in the reality, borders aren't defined only on a cultural basis. Sometimes states trade borders because having a little more or a little less territories serve their strategy.

For example, when the newly-born Italia gave Nice and Savoy to France, in the meantime they kept the Aost valley, although people there spoke French. But defending France without the Aost valley was much simpler. And defending Italia with the Aost valley was much simpler too.

love the idea...how would one draw the boundry for the AI to see?

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Player1, your experience reminds me of the intense pain I feel at no longer being able to play People's General or Birth of the Federation, because my new computer doesn't seem to want to recognise the CD's .

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Dis
It depends on what you consider a successful civilization. And how you want to define a victory.

Take a nation like switzerland. Very small. But most people consider them a success. Though personally I wouldn't say they are #1. You should not be able to win a game with a nation that small. That's my opinion. You have to do more than just provide a high standard of living for your people.

On the other hands, large civs should not necessarily automatically dominate all. I'd like to see smaller civs with high research rates. Take for example England. Not a large civ in actual history. But they conquered so much of the world. How exactly did they do this? One reason is technical superiority in their military equipment and techniques. As it is, this can't be represented well in civ3. And consequently, any island civs are hopelessly doomed.

You could do something similar to what Europa Universalis does: the more territory you have (or cities in a hypothetical civ adaptation) the more expensive technology is (of course, it shoulden't be a 1 to 1 ratio or else large countries would be at a disadvantage, but the principle holds). So you can choose (or prehaps forced by starting conditions and neihbors) either to have a small empire with a few very rich cities that advances because it has few people to care for compared to it's income from it's rich tiles, or have a large empire that advances by economy of scale of it's huge number of tiles under production.

Edit: I was thinking, this might help with ICS!

[Mace]

Originally posted by Odin
So you can choose (or prehaps forced by starting conditions and neihbors) either to have a small empire with a few very rich cities that advances because it has few people to care for compared to it's income from it's rich tiles, or have a large empire that advances by economy of scale of it's huge number of tiles under production.

Edit: I was thinking, this might help with ICS!

If something like that could be implemented, I agree I think it might help. Has potential anyway. So Europa Universalis does this?

[spartak]

My worse fear is that its will be released before its ready. I'd rather wait for a properly finished article than have a flawed bug ridden monstrosity instead.

[Datajack Franit]

thumbs up

[Xorbon]

Originally posted by spartak
My worse fear is that its will be released before its ready. I'd rather wait for a properly finished article than have a flawed bug ridden monstrosity instead.

Exactly.

And to add to that: people on these forums seem to forget that there are people out there without internet access who can't easily get regular patches. Yes they do exist. Why don't you ever hear from them? Ummm...

[Addled Platypus]

Originally posted by Xorbon


Why don't you ever hear from them? Ummm...

smoke signals have second hand effects ?