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  • Two Leaders!

    We know that there will be 18 civs and 26 leaders. This means that 8 civs will have 2 leaders to choose from.

    We already know six of these:

    England: Elizabeth, Victoria
    France: Louis XIV - cultural, Napoleon - militaristic
    India: Gandhi - pacifist, Ashoka - imperialist
    China: Qin Shi Huang Di, Mao Tse-tung
    America: George Washington, F.D.R. (no Lincoln?!)
    Mongolia: Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan

    My theories:

    Civs likely to have two leaders are civs that exhibit widely different personalities over the course of their history.
    Civs unlikely to have two leaders are civs where their behavior is pretty consistant (ie. Mongolia - during the major portions of their history they were warlike conquerors. It wouldn't make much of a difference to have a leader in addition to Genghis Khan, as Ogedei Khan, Batu Khan, etc. would be likely to behave exactly the same.) [Edit -- Well, I was wrong on this point! ]

    Civ likely to have two leaders:

    Greece (is in!): Alexander (confirmed) - militaristic, Pericles? - cultural
    Russia: Peter I or Catherine II (both the Great), Stalin
    Egypt: Hatshepsut (confirmed), Ramses II? - imperial
    Rome: Julius Caesar, any number of possibilities, including Augustus, Caligula, Nero, Marcus Aurelius, etc.

    Civs unlikely to have two leaders:

    Babylon: Hammurabi or Nebuchadnezzar would be very similar
    Aztecs: Montezuma
    Germans: Otto von Bismarck (I think this has already been confirmed, besides, Adolf Hitler isn't PC)
    Malinese: Mansa Musa?
    Incans: Pachacuti or Atahualpa
    Arabs: Saladin (confirmed)

    Civs that could go either way:

    Persia: Cyrus, with Darius, Xerxes, Khomeini as possible seconds
    Japanese: Tokugawa Ieyasu, Emperor Meiji?
    Spanish: Isabella, Ferdinand, Philip II

    Well, that's 19 civs, so one of those won't even be in the game! What do you think of all this, eh?
    Last edited by Alexander I; June 24, 2005, 10:28.
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  • #2
    Stalin would probably not be very politically correct.

    Harun al-Rashid would be another for the Arabs (he of the Arabian Nights).

    Suleiman would be another for the Turks.

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    • #3
      Re: Two Leaders!

      Originally posted by Alexander01
      Arabs: Abu Bakr, ?
      Sala Al Din (Saladin the great) would almost definitely be the second, or first.
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      • #4
        Saladin is surely recognizeable and is in many games, but I'd prefer al-Rashid for the Arabs - he's not just another conqueror like Saladin.
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        • #5
          America: George Washington, F.D.R. (no Lincoln?!)
          Lincoln has been America's leader for far too long anyways. Time to let the other more-than-note-worthy Presidents have some glory.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by KyuuA4


            Lincoln has been America's leader for far too long anyways. Time to let the other more-than-note-worthy Presidents have some glory.
            Like FDR? Gag...

            At least he's better than Eleanor.
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            • #7
              Nixon as a military leader.
              He who knows others is wise.
              He who knows himself is enlightened.
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              • #8
                Nixon as a military leader.
                Odd idea, as Nixon was the one who yanked us out of Vietnam...
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                • #9
                  Guess my presidencial merits knowledge is lacking.
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                  He who knows himself is enlightened.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GeoModder
                    Guess my presidencial merits knowledge is lacking.
                    Guess so.

                    Vote for Jimmy Carter leaderhead instead.
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                    • #11
                      But after a quick research, it seems he endorsed the invasion of Cambodja and Laos.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GeoModder
                        But after a quick research, it seems he endorsed the invasion of Cambodja and Laos.
                        Indeed...

                        Welll, how about Gerald Ford?
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                        • #13
                          I say Theodore Roosevelt as the "peaceful, cultural" guy, and probably George Washington or Andrew Jackson as the Militaristic guy
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Solver
                            Saladin is surely recognizeable and is in many games, but I'd prefer al-Rashid for the Arabs - he's not just another conqueror like Saladin.
                            Sala al-Din did much more than simply fight Catholics. He instituted numerous social and religious reforms, and stimulated trade with the far east, and with the Orthodox christians.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Illuminatiscott
                              I say Theodore Roosevelt as the "peaceful, cultural" guy, and probably George Washington or Andrew Jackson as the Militaristic guy
                              Teddy as the peaceful one?

                              IIRC, he was considered to be empirical, and he had very little qualms about sending the boys to war. *SEE EDIT

                              I'd say Jimmy Carter is the best choice for peace and diplomacy, but since he only lasted 4 years I don't see him being the leaderhead.

                              *Edit* Upon refreshing my memory, i guess T.R. wasn't so Empirical as I remembered. But i'll fondly remember him as Colonel of the Rough Riders
                              Last edited by Ninot; June 23, 2005, 13:37.
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