What do you feel about cIV?

[Nikolai]

Myrddin: If civ doesn't evolve, it will become an antiquity. It's already well on it's way. The only thing that can save the franchise from slowly fading away and die, is drastic change, while at the same time keep the good elements and imporve others. Just as it seems Firaxis will do with cIV.

[Myrddin]

Agreed Nickolai

I think that the changes may appear more drastic than many people on this site are expecting

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Myrddin
Removing fixed governements offers a lot of opportunities BUT means that all the things that are keyed to governements now, like tile bonuses/penalties, rush-builds, military police, unit support, war weariness will have to be addressed in other ways

Ever played SMAC? If not, then try it. The way governments are implemented in that game is

As already mentioned it's kinda boring the way governments are done in Civ games where you in most games has planned exactly what government you want at what point in the game, while in SMAC you make small choices when needed

[Myrddin]

I'm for change; BUT suspect that a lot of others will be saying 'its not civ anymore' when more information is released

[SirOsis]

I don't care what it's like as long as it comes with a Hammurabi action figure.

[Xorbon]

Originally posted by MrFun
Actually, I don't think even problem three exists in Civilization III. It's not that big of a deal for me to check which civilization demands which goods, because I don't have to check city-by-city -- the information pertains more broadly to each civilization, simplifying keeping track of demand.

Problem 3 isn't a problem in Civ 3 because there are no caravans.

I was just bringing up that one annoying aspect of Civ 2. The 'city-to-city' trade system of Civ 2 was as annoying, IMO, as 'whack-a-mole' pollution.

Hopefully, caravans will work way differently than in Civ 2.

[Trifna]

Xorbon, I would not be worried too much about that, considering the amount of rant which came on the subject

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Xorbon


Problem 3 isn't a problem in Civ 3 because there are no caravans.

I was just bringing up that one annoying aspect of Civ 2. The 'city-to-city' trade system of Civ 2 was as annoying, IMO, as 'whack-a-mole' pollution.

Hopefully, caravans will work way differently than in Civ 2.

I wasn't making that statement as if there were caravans in Civ 3.

I mean, they could have made it tedious by requiring us to check every city for demand of particular goods even without caravans -- but they didn't.

[SCUrfer]

Did Civ II have a trade system? Honestly, I never used caravans, aside from rushing wonders. I wouldn't mind if they bring them in with combination with the civ-wide trade network of Civ III though. Maybe you'll need caravans to link up with other civ's trade networks?

[Robert]

It's not civ anymore?????
Define civ. Of course it's civ. It never was civ because of the things you said.

Civ is civ because you rule and expand a nation from 4000BC to the day of today. You invent technology, build armies, talk with your neighbours, fight wars, trade and expand your nation. Not the way you do it makes civ civ, it's the fact that you can do it which makes civ civ. And of course the fact that it's turn based.

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by CyberShy
It's not civ anymore?????
Define civ. Of course it's civ. It never was civ because of the things you said.

Civ is civ because you rule and expand a nation from 4000BC to the day of today. You invent technology, build armies, talk with your neighbours, fight wars, trade and expand your nation. Not the way you do it makes civ civ, it's the fact that you can do it which makes civ civ. And of course the fact that it's turn based.

So CtP 1 and 2 are civ by those definitions.

[Nikolai]

Of course that are. Now, whether they are good or not is a different thing.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Maquiladora


So CtP 1 and 2 are civ by those definitions.

yes indeed. I think there's almost no-one around here why denies that.

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by CyberShy
yes indeed. I think there's almost no-one around here why denies that.

I do.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Maquiladora


I do.

That's what I said: "almost no one"