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  • #46
    Ok, the Athlon64 processor is out, and it comes in a number of varieties. The latest support dual-channel DDR memory on the processor (less latency and more bandwidth compared to intel implemtentions).

    Intel has a x86-64 processor too, but its 64-bit implemention stinks. The other 64 bit chip it has, which uses an IS-64 implemention, absolutely stinks on 32-bit stuff (totally different archictectures). In any case, the later is doomed to die a slow death (and is already doing so).

    The Athlon64 processor, is fully backwards compatible with current code, and runs it faster than the Athlon processors. It uses a different chip size though, and you need a new motherboard with it (and in any case, an Athlon 500 is waaay out of date, I am not surprised someone is having slow play times on Civ III with that rig--and ram!). It can run 64 bit x86-64 code (formerly called AMD-64), but you need to have a 64-bit OS for it. Currently the only such OS's that are configured for x86-64 are Linux ones. Windows64 still hasn't come out (they are taking forever!). You'd need that before you could even think of running a 64 bit version of cIV.

    That said, once you had the OS, then it wouldn't take too many changes to adjust the program, you'd just need to recompile the code into 64-bit programs (data files wouldn't change). Most of the memory access stuff and other such intricacies are handled by the compiler, so you'd get most of your performance boost just from the recompile. It wouldn't be too hard to store both sets of files on the CD (they aren't what takes up most of the space). Right now though, it doesn't make sense to bother, considering the only people using it would be people using WineX *and* cIV *and* an AMD64 chip. In other words, hardly anyone. No point in buying the compiler for that.

    -Drachasor
    "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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    • #47
      Excuse me, am I missing something here?
      Is Civ IV going to be released in H1 2005 or sooner?
      Is anyone here saying that there should be a 64-bit only Civ IV?
      Are some of you saying that you don't mind waiting for the AI to take more than ONE (1) MINUTE to do its turn?

      Wow I must be in planet Moron or something...
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      • #48
        Oops, I certainly don't have the Athlon processor in the same mobo as I had the AMD 500. A totally new machine, build from scratch.

        The mobo is MSI K7N2 Delta, with socketA.... I wonder, if the AMD500 would have even fitted?

        It seems quite clear, that if the 64 works on my mb, it doesn't work in it's full potential.
        I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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        • #49
          The existing Athlon 64 only fit in mobos with socket 754/939/940 (only Athlon 64 FX and Opterons for this socket). There will be really soon the new Sempron processor, and it probably fit in your current Socket A mobo, but it will most certainly have its 64-bit extentions disabled.
          "BANANA POWAAAAH!!! (exclamation Zopperoni style)" - Mercator, in the OT 'What fruit are you?' thread
          Join the Civ2 Democratic Game! We have a banana option in every poll just for you to vote for!
          Many thanks to Zealot for wasting his time on the jobs section at Gamasutra - MarkG in the article SMAC2 IN FULL 3D? http://apolyton.net/misc/
          Always thought settlers looked like Viking helmets. Took me a while to spot they were supposed to be wagons. - The pirate about Settlers in Civ 1

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          • #50
            The Sempron doesn't have 64-bit extensions...it is basically a Thoroughbred (a type of regular Athlon).

            -Drachasor
            "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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