Civ 4 - The List of BAD Ideas.

[Solver]

Because of the excellent CtP2 bugs, there weren't really any scenarios .

[Jon Miller]

you haven't addressed my concern of tactics

all I see is that you make up an army, and send it at the enemy (I did play some of both CTPs)

both are strategic decisions

I liked how past civs have included some tactics, it makes the game more fun

Jon Miller

[Fosse]

I don't want to see caravans or supply crawler-type units for storing shields.

Maybe caravans are a good way to deal with trade, but there should be no "flash build" units.

[Maquiladora]

you haven't addressed my concern of tactics

all I see is that you make up an army, and send it at the enemy (I did play some of both CTPs)

both are strategic decisions

I liked how past civs have included some tactics, it makes the game more fun

Jon Miller

As i said, in CtP1/2 there are different stacks for different situations, but in civ the best attacking unit and best defensive is all there is and there is no other tactical choice on how to compose the force.

Just out of curiosity, how do CtP2 scenarios deal with stacking?

Not sure what you mean, but the scenarios that came with the game use stacks like they do in a normal game.

[Jon Miller]

no

civ has way more than 4 types of units

it has defender infantry
it has offender infantry
it has bombard
and it has calvary

there is also an additinoal infantry type (the archer - TOW)

besides specials (paratrooper/marine/whatever)

as well as air support

and that is ignoring modern times

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

composing forces is not tactics

that is strategy

tactics is how you use your forces

which civ has a lot of (but sometimes gets lost in the problems with having too many units)

Jon Miller

[Skanky Burns]

It would probably be better to move the debate out of this thread so that this one can concentrate on things most of us don't want in Civ 4. So I present to you the Stacked vs Single Unit Debate Thread for your enjoyment.

I agree against Civ-Specific animations and shield-storage units. Below-sea cities would be beyond the scope of a standard civ game, although I wouldn't be too upset if it was allowed in scenarios.

[Maquiladora]

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(To try and not kill this thread completely) i dont think civ4 should be in 3D.

[Fosse]

Maq - Agreed on no 3d.

I don't want ages. At all.

[Solver]

SMAC-Crawler style units are mainly bad because they favor human much more than the AI.

[Fosse]

Originally posted by Solver
SMAC-Crawler style units are mainly bad because they favor human much more than the AI.

Plus, they are tedious!!!!!

Seriously, even when the payoff was great, how much fun was it to blanket an entire empire, tile by tile, with little units. Especially knowing that if you didn't, the other guy would crush you (in MP, of course)?

[Father Beast]

OK, here's my take...

First, the things I didn't like about Civ3

1. 3D. took resources and tended to crash the game, without adding anything.

2. outrageous corruption and waste. building cities with 1 shield of production was constant and absurd. It was only to keep ICS down anyway, and that should be fixed otherwise.

3. the tech tree. The way it was divided into ages made it impossible to follow a close line of research, because of the neccessity of researching most of an age before moving on. I may be alone in this, but I prefer the old humoungous tech tree of Civ1 and Civ2, where you could research narrowly for centuries before you got stuck and found yourself having to go back in order to go forward.

I probably have more but my brain just went down. I need a nap.

[Brent]

Simplify the end of game map replay. We don't need distinction of terrain. We don't need cities. We don't need wonders or golden ages. Just one color for land, one color for water, and show the border changes.

[Stuie]

I don't want any extraneous crap that does nothing for gameplay, including Wonder Movies, Throne Room and City Views.

[Solver]

I don't want any extraneous crap that does nothing for gameplay, including Wonder Movies, Throne Room and City Views.

It adds to the atmosphere. You can also that way argue that graphics add nothing to gameplay - though I, personally, prefer the neat Civ 3 graphics to those from Civ 1.