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**Broken Hawk** · November 13, 2005, 19:50

I love the idea for the Teutonic Knight. You might consider using the Knights Templar or Knights Hosptialler for the French. How do you modify/create unit graphics in CivIV?

**aracuan_76** · November 14, 2005, 04:24

ideas?

hello,

interesting your ideas.i agree that some extra units were needed,however a lot of improves u can do in the sea field battle,where plenty of ships are missing(medieval dromons,dreadnought,cruisers,etc.)

**LzPrst** · November 14, 2005, 05:18

most of these are great suggestions. I definately want a UU ship for england.

however, a few historical hints. it was iron that made the romans a power in the mediterranean. the reason is that bronze requires copper, which is actually quite rare, but it also requires tin, which is extremely rare, in the ancient times it could only be found in places such as central europe and afghanistan. and the bronze age cultures of egypt and mesopotamia existed long before rome ever became relevant. (rome rose around 250bc, the bronze age cultures rose and fell around 3000-1000bc) While Iron is found just about everywhere, and allows weapons to be made considerably cheaper. also a correction, iron was in its early days actually inferior to bronze the refinement of iron to such a degree came much later. it was its availability that allowed the romans to build great armies and conquer the mediterranean world. they didnt really use bronze...

also, peltasts I believe are roman not greek. (hmm not sure though)

ninjas are assassins. one man. mission is usually to kill a prominent figure of opponents faction. the idea that a ninja could defeat an army of anything is somewhat absurd. they always worked alone, using stealth to kill leaders, not armies.

aslo, more boats please. i want bigger better badder navies. and time to build them...

all other suggestions are great. though some civs might feel left out and you should be careful to ensure balance is not... unbalanced.

**aracuan_76** · November 14, 2005, 05:29

thank you

my dear prinz,

thank u for your support.i love naval history and units,therefore i m dissapointed with this edition.not onyly for this of course.still no one thought that when u take over an enemy city U MUST take a tech from them,something that decreases much the gameplay in my opinion.
regarding units,there is a huge step from ironclads to iowa battleships but according to the game is very small-WHY?
medieval ships,dromons,galleas,and then ship of the line,then ironclads,armoured cruisers,dreadnoughts,why not included?
also unexpectable to build ironclad with steel!
steam power is enough.
in general i think that from all civilization series(I,II,III,IV)usually missed something.form the first 2 we didnt demand much since it was the beggining,but from the 2 later we did.and it misses the simplicity that had the 2 previous ones,taking techs when u take over an enemy city and in the city panel why the buildings we build are not appeared???
For gods name,we are using the latest and most expensive video cards to display 3d graphs,yet the stupid programmers didnt thought that????...

**AlexTG** · November 14, 2005, 10:44

Originally posted by LzPrst
most of these are great suggestions. I definately want a UU ship for england.

however, a few historical hints. it was iron that made the romans a power in the mediterranean. the reason is that bronze requires copper, which is actually quite rare, but it also requires tin, which is extremely rare, in the ancient times it could only be found in places such as central europe and afghanistan. and the bronze age cultures of egypt and mesopotamia existed long before rome ever became relevant. (rome rose around 250bc, the bronze age cultures rose and fell around 3000-1000bc) While Iron is found just about everywhere, and allows weapons to be made considerably cheaper. also a correction, iron was in its early days actually inferior to bronze the refinement of iron to such a degree came much later. it was its availability that allowed the romans to build great armies and conquer the mediterranean world. they didnt really use bronze...

also, peltasts I believe are roman not greek. (hmm not sure though)

ninjas are assassins. one man. mission is usually to kill a prominent figure of opponents faction. the idea that a ninja could defeat an army of anything is somewhat absurd. they always worked alone, using stealth to kill leaders, not armies.

aslo, more boats please. i want bigger better badder navies. and time to build them...

all other suggestions are great. though some civs might feel left out and you should be careful to ensure balance is not... unbalanced.

Interesting points! Unfortunately i think changing the tech tree so bronzeworking comes after ironworking is a bit outside the scope of this mod. In real life maybe rome didn't have access to the copper&tin but in the random map games they may..

The ninjas are meant for reconnaisance or perhaps picking off weak units trying to make it back to the base. I don't think ninjas always worked alone except in pop culture maybe. They did a lot more than just assassinations too. I don't think it's terribly unrealistic to have them able to destroy units. They could be poisoning them or maybe killing their leaders causing them to scatter or whatever.

There were indeed greek peltasts although they didn't have a monopoly on them.

I will definitely be adding in more unique ships, and I'm definitely seeing a need for some more steps in the shipbuilding technology. Any detailed ideas regarding this would be appreciated.

I will be adding units for all civilizations if I or others can think of enough appropriate ones

of course I am always trying to keep an eye on balance as well, but that is difficult and will need lots of playtesting!

**CarnalCanaan** · November 14, 2005, 17:36

For the Americans, perhaps an Apache replacement for the Gunship.

For the Japanese, definitely the Zero.

And for the Chinese, the Long March, a cheaper replacement for the ICBM - or perhaps each adds a bit of science capacity to the city it's located in.

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