Arriba! (Spain wins ww2 scenario)

[Marquis de Sodaq]

All right, the Neutrals challenge is under way. Much as in the Delunda Sunt thread (Rome scenario time challenge), the tip of the hat and bragging rights go to whoever wins in the shortest time.

"Sverige uber alles!"


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-Philip of Macedon

[La Fayette]

Latest news: april 1961.
Allies nuke Washington! ( )
French take the city back and take New York.
Game over. ALL OJECTIVES FRENCH

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[La Fayette]

My opinion in short:
The ww2 scenario was designed to be fought and won either by the Axis or the Allies or the Russians within time limit. Many of us have done that, I suppose.
Winning being either French or Spanish, without time limit, is possible: I have just done that. And it is FUN.
(contrary to what SilverDragon states, I found it even more challenging to win with the French than with the Spaniards: no Pyrenees to start with, and a lot of heavy cheating by the AI later on, eg stole me suddenly 30 000 gold twice in a row!).

Tiny Hall of Fame (today, but I know it won't last! ):
French: La Fayette; april 1961.
Spaniards: La Fayette; august 1961.

Has anyone won with either Turks or Neutral?
I feel compelled to have a try with both

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[La Fayette]

quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq on 05-09-2001 09:45 PM "Sverige uber alles!"

Er du ogsaa svensk, Marquis?
Hils Carolus fra meg i tilfellet.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

quote: Originally posted by La Fayette on 05-10-2001 10:23 AMEr du ogsaa svensk, Marquis? Hils Carolus fra meg i tilfellet.

No, but I have a good understanding of germanic languages. Thuis spreek ik nederlands, ook heb ik taalkunde gestudeerd.

[SilverDragon]

As nuetruals, the best thing is to sell enough to build airports in both Tehran and Stockholm, and then you can send routes from tehran to england and get 1000 gold a route. Unfortunately, I still can't kill anybody. I might bribe the axis cities, but first i'll steal some techs

[Dis]

Are you guys playing the original ww2 scenario that came with the game? It looks like it, but I'm not sure. I thought about playing the neutrals and spanish. I thought I would get bored waiting so many years to build my forces up. But maybe it would be a nice challenge. I think I did try to play the ottoman empire in some ww1 scenario before (the one that came with the add on I think). It's tough.

[La Fayette]

quote: Originally posted by DrFell on 05-09-2001 05:36 PM it's October 1949 and the Neutral Scandinavian and Iranian howitzers are gathering in Bergen for the invasion of England. Taking England should be easy, but attacking the Axis is gonna be hell, they've got Manhattan Project and there's no way I'm getting the laser anytime soon. Although I was soon reduced to 2 cities, it was suprisingly easy, building airports in Tehran and Stockholm and airlifiting freights over to be transported to England produced tons of cash fortunately since I needed to research robotics myself.

May I ask 2 questions?
1) How did you manage to take Bergen without attacking the Axis?
2) How did you manage to forward your freights from Stockholm to England?

[La Fayette]

quote: Originally posted by Dissident on 05-11-2001 03:13 AM Are you guys playing the original ww2 scenario that came with the game?.

Yes we are and, believe me, it's FUN (the delicious feeling that you are so tiny and weak that you never will manage to fight those giant monsters, Axis, Allies and Russians).

Here is a short summary of my experience (1 game as Franco, 1 game as DeGaulle):
The main problem is to stay alive and grow your civ during the first 10 years.
Spain stays alive quite easily with help of somewhat careful diplomacy (don't forget to bow before talking to any of the big 3). Then you should be able to fight the French victoriously (but I was unable to avoid being at war with the Axis doing that and was compelled to prepare very quickly a strong surprise attack allowing me to take Berlin and split the Axis empire).
Playing DeGaulle, I never managed to be at peace with the Axis (looks quite reasonable from a historical point of view ).
But the Axis asked for a cease fire any time they took a french city and RESPECTED it (more or less). Then it became some kind of 'compte à rebours' (telling backwards: 5,4,3,2... ), trying to conquer Spain before the Axis had conquered what was left of France.

I suppose that the problem is roughly the same for the Neutral Leader (impossible to make peace with the Axis after they have taken Amsterdam in june 1940, hence you are bound to loose Belgrade 2 years later or so; can you then get strong enough to defend Stockholm or is your small civ condemned to a new start with only Tehran?).
I shall have a serious try from tomorrow on (hope this helps for those who wish to have a try too).


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[Scouse Gits]

Cruel fortune, M. le Marquis - I trust you shall try again ?

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[Marquis de Sodaq]

quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 05-11-2001 03:20 PM Cruel fortune, M. le Marquis - I trust you shall try again ?

Pero si! That scenario should have it set so that the French and Germans can't make peace, let alone ally with one another. Maybe I'll tweak it myself. Apparently all those engineers working the hills struck fear into the heart of europe; They foresaw the bleak future of paella and olives and nipped it in the bud. Grrr...

Meanwhile, El Marqui checks with his scientists, the time machine is almost complete...

[DrFell]

quote: Originally posted by La Fayette on 05-11-2001 09:09 AM [QUOTE]Originally posted by DrFell on 05-09-2001 05:36 PM May I ask 2 questions? 1) How did you manage to take Bergen without attacking the Axis? 2) How did you manage to forward your freights from Stockholm to England?

Got tech for transports off allies, build airports and flew all my freight into Stockholm. I took the cities in Scandinavia one by one, making cease fire with the Axis after taking each. This was before the contruction of the Manhattan project . What I meant was attacking mainland Europe will be hell.... I even screwed up attacking England, not bringing enough howies, but now (early 1951) an Allied and an Axis nuke later, England is finally secure under the Neutrals . The Zulu nation appeared in the middle east after I took London. At least now I have a large production base to start producing units to attack the Axis. Being stuck in Monarchy (I'm playing FW) hurts.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Report on BBC1, March 1945: SPANISH MENACE SUBDUED

The heady Spanish leader, El Marqui de Vasco, has been chased back to Madrid by the French and their allies , the Axis powers. De Gaulle told the press that El Marqui had deeply offended the French by making diplomatic contact. "Vee had no choice but to declare war on zem, non? Our good friends, zee Germans, who were so kind to take from us zat rats' nest, Paris, will aid us een zees struggle." El Marqui requested assistance from Allied forces, but was declined. "With the entire German navy off the coast of Portugal, our own efforts should be so much easier," declared Churchill. The minister did, however, send a case of brandy to the spaniards as a gesture of goodwill.

Altho efforts to cross the Pyrenees proved futile and bloody, the superior navies emptied coastal Spanish cities of defenders, forcing rushed conscription, in turn wreaking havoc on the feeble spanish economy. The French freed the city of Tangiers from spanish tyrrany in January. The Spanish decided the war was too much, and are now taking a siesta. El Marqui closed his capitulation speech declaring, "We weell crush you een an alternate reality!"

[This message has been edited by Marquis de Sodaq (edited May 11, 2001).]

[La Fayette]

quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Sodaq on 05-11-2001 12:04 PM Report on BBC1, March 1945: SPANISH MENACE SUBDUED "Vee had no choice but to declare war on zem, non? Our good friends, zee Germans, who were so kind to take from us zat rats' nest, Paris, will aid us een zees struggle." [This message has been edited by Marquis de Sodaq (edited May 11, 2001).]

LOL@ Marquis
I confess that this description of average french accent seems to be quite realistic (though it doesn't apply to mine ).
Otherwise your experience is in accordance with mine: if you attack the French, you fight the Germans; that is why I started with North Africa (in 1948 IIRC) and did not try to send troops over the Pyrenees before 1950.

[La Fayette]

quote: Originally posted by DrFell on 05-11-2001 05:09 PM Got tech for transports off allies, build airports and flew all my freight into Stockholm. I took the cities in Scandinavia one by one, making cease fire with the Axis after taking each.

Shall I try to sum up?
1) 1940: Sell some improvements and buy airports in Tehran and Stockholm.
2) Following years (1941 to 1946 ?): rushbuild freights in Tehran and build transports in Stockholm; then airlift the freights from T. to S. and use the transports to forward them to England.
3) 1942(?): Lose Belgrade to the Axis
4) 1946(?): Discover Robotics and start building howies.
5) 1947 and 1948: Take OSLO, then BERGEN from the Axis with help of those howies.
Is that what you managed to achieve?
IMO it is brilliant.
I tried that kind of starting strat several times the other day: did not manage to get ONE freight to England (either airlift shot down between T. and S., or, most of the time, transport sunk by Axis navy between S. and England.