“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.” -Adolf HitlerOriginally Posted by Kidicious
I don't know how many circumcised and uncircumcised men you have slept with, but just because one person has decreased sexual satisfaction doesn't mean is has anything to do with his foreskin.
And honestly, I don't care about having more sexual satisfaction at this age. When I was younger I don't see how more would make the difference. They way I see it, if you aren't having as much fun, just have more sex.
We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced these murderers. - Martin Luther King Jr. Eulogy for the Martyred Children (1963)
I don't think Asher believes in the Ten Commandments either.
We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced these murderers. - Martin Luther King Jr. Eulogy for the Martyred Children (1963)
There seems to be some confusion in this thread over what is, and what is not, worth getting outraged over. A form of "mutilation" with low single-digit complication rates (best guess according to conflicting accounts ranging from something like .2% to 55%, with no clear and unambiguous stats yet presented AFAIK for serious or irreversible complication rates), most of whose "victims" don't even notice, does not qualify. For your convenience and edification, here is a brief, far-from-exhaustive list of things actually worth getting upset over:
--Human trafficking
--Arms trafficking
--Holocaust denial
--The ongoing nonsense about life-saving vaccines turning your kid into Rain Man
--Chinese cancer villages, which are pretty much exactly what they sound like and for some reason don't have a Wiki article in English
--The indescribable abyss of anguish and misery that is the officially-concluded but still-ongoing brutality in the Congo
I can probably come up with more, if necessary.
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The difference is the average person can't stop any of those. The average person can stop mutilating their sons.
Yeah unless they think the ruler of the universe told them to do it.
Why can't someone stop denying the holocaust?
We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced these murderers. - Martin Luther King Jr. Eulogy for the Martyred Children (1963)
If you can't stop selling guns to third-world warlords, I'm sorry, but you're just going to have to face up to your addiction.
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The correct answer is, at it has always been, "whatever one darned well chooses".
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Why are you two so obsessed with foreskins? The question is not whether foreskin is useful or not, it's about parents' right to force their religion onto their children. It doesn't matter if they cut their skin off or make them pray five times a day or make them observe Lent. It's just that the circumcision is a visible change, but all of these things are permanently affecting the child.
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I don't see how denying them any sort of religious heritage is supposed to make children better off.
Denying them "any sort of religious heritage"?
If your religion teaches you to fiddle with baby penises, maybe you should reconsider what the **** you're doing.
Look, it's really simple. You're talking about permanently disfiguring a child, inflicting pain on them, and removing a perfectly well-functioning body part without giving them a choice in the matter. It's ****ing creepy, it's barbaric, and it puts children at risk. And why? Because some book says you have to do it when they're babies?
What the **** kind of sense does that make? Sometimes religious "freedoms" are limited. I'm not even going to bother going through all of the insane **** some religions do that is deemed illegal. This is far from the first thing.
The difference is the majority of American men HAVE been circumcised, and one of the psychological coping mechanisms is to deny that it matters. It's tough to admit it's wrong and it matters when you didn't have a choice when the doctor did it to you. It's something most people would rather not face.
All of you advocating circumcision should really learn how it works.
Check out some pictures and videos of the procedure.
Did you not read the post by Onodera that I was responding to? He seems to think making kids pray five times a day or observe Lent is unacceptable.
You're fine with abortions, which I wouldn't want to watch while eating dinner, but removing a foreskin a few days after the baby born is unacceptable?
I'm fine with first trimester abortions, and yes I've watched videos of it.
Good tangent. Should parents be permitted to force abortions on their kids?
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Religion is good for children. It sure beats whatever athiestic crap people are shoving down children's throats.
We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced these murderers. - Martin Luther King Jr. Eulogy for the Martyred Children (1963)
Yes. Science is evil!
You still think science is anti-religion?Yes. Science is evil!
We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced these murderers. - Martin Luther King Jr. Eulogy for the Martyred Children (1963)
Obviously all those in favour of male circumcision are also in favour of female circumcision...
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How do you force a lack of belief down the throat of someone who begins life without belief?
I'd say children begin life totally oblivious about religion--there's a big difference between that and hard atheism. With that said, I'm not going to sit here and argue over whose indoctrination is worse.
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True although what is usually referred to as 'hard atheism' is exceedingly rare anyway.
You're no fun.
First, atheism is not a lack of belief. You atheists make a choice, you have a belief. Second, I didn't say you forced your children to believe anything, but by choosing not to practice a religion you are sending the message to your kids that there is no God. You see you can't avoid teaching your children. Children are such that the absorb things from their parents. So how would it look if I were a Jew and I didn't circumcise my child? That sends a message. You request that Jews don't circumcise their boys is absolutely unreasonable and bigoted.
We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced these murderers. - Martin Luther King Jr. Eulogy for the Martyred Children (1963)
No, you are confusing atheism with agnosticism.
Atheists may teach their children there is no God, but that's not the same as an agnostic who makes no claims either way. It simply doesn't matter.
Frankly, if there is a God he doesn't need you sucking his **** every sunday.
So as long as it's some religious belief, it's okay to do?You see you can't avoid teaching your children. Children are such that the absorb things from their parents. So how would it look if I were a Jew and I didn't circumcise my child? That sends a message. You request that Jews don't circumcise their boys is absolutely unreasonable and bigoted.
Many Sunni muslims believe in female genital mutilation. That's okay, too?
And if my religion told me women are to be subservient to men, and those who aren't receive a beating..that'd be cool, too?
There are limits to freedom of religion. People are welcome to circumcise themselves if their God demands it (what an ******* he must be, by the way). But to circumcise other people before they have their own beliefs is unreasonable and bigoted.
BTW, Kid, if I didn't know better I'd say you were defending the Taliban...
Well, I believe in female genital mutilation as well. I also believe that something should be done to stop it.
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Agnostics DO NOT believe in God. So I was not confusing the two. If you tell your children that you do not KNOW if God exists or not you are telling them that you DO NOT believe in God.
That's what you call God wanting to have a relationship with His creation. Can you please use more polite language and tell me why you believe this?Frankly, if there is a God he doesn't need you sucking his **** every sunday.
We've exhausted this conversation. Male circumcision is not any of those things that you make them out to be. Nice hyperbole but I have no other response to this line of reasoning.So as long as it's some religious belief, it's okay to do?
Many Sunni muslims believe in female genital mutilation. That's okay, too?
And if my religion told me women are to be subservient to men, and those who aren't receive a beating..that'd be cool, too?
There are limits to freedom of religion. People are welcome to circumcise themselves if their God demands it (what an ******* he must be, by the way). But to circumcise other people before they have their own beliefs is unreasonable and bigoted.
BTW, Kid, if I didn't know better I'd say you were defending the Taliban...
We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced these murderers. - Martin Luther King Jr. Eulogy for the Martyred Children (1963)
I love it when the religious insist they know better than the non-religious what words like agnostic and atheist REALLY mean. Good work.
So you are saying that an agnostic believes in God? They either do or they don't. I don't care how you explain that's a simple fact.I love it when the religious insist they know better than the non-religious what words like agnostic and atheist REALLY mean. Good work.
We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced these murderers. - Martin Luther King Jr. Eulogy for the Martyred Children (1963)
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