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    Arabic mandatory at Manhattan public school

    Arabic mandatory at Manhattan public school
    By SABRINA FORD

    Last Updated: 3:53 AM, May 24, 2012

    Posted: 12:35 AM, May 24, 2012

    Share on emailShare on facebook More Sharing ServicesMore Print An upper Manhattan public elementary school will be the first in the city to require that students study Arabic, officials said yesterday.

    Beginning next semester, all 200 second- through fifth-graders at PS 368 in Hamilton Heights will be taught the language twice a week for 45 minutes — putting it on equal footing with science and music courses.

    One reason Principal Nicky Kram Rosen selected Arabic — as opposed to more common offerings, such as Spanish or French — is because it will help the school obtain a prestigious International Baccalaureate standing.


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    GLOBAL APPEAL: Principal Kram Rosen (left) hopes the Arabic taught by Mohamed Mamdouh (right) earns worldwide prestige for PS 368.
    “She proposed this to the parent association. They were very supportive,” said Angela Jackson, CEO of the Global Language Project, which is backing the initiative.

    “Arabic has been identified as a critical-need language,” she said, citing students’ future “career trajectories.’’

    “It means they can spin the globe and decide where they want to work and live.”

    Students now taking the class in a pilot program during their free afternoon periods said it’s been a challenge — but a rewarding one.

    “I like Arabic class. I like the words we learn. I thought they sounded funny at first, now I think they sound cool,” said Nayanti Brown, a 7-year-old second-grader. “I teach my little sister the words I learn.’’

    Nayanti said her mother was skeptical at first.

    “When I gave my mom the [permission slip] to sign, she was shocked. [Now] she’s happy I’m in the class,” she said.

    The Arabic requirement becomes mandatory in September. But PS 368 is a so-called “choice’’ school and no kids, even those living nearby, are forced to attend it. If the school ever enrolls a student who objects to learning Arabic, administrators will deal with that on a case-by-case basis, Jackson said.

    Mohamed Mamdouh, who teaches the pilot program, said, “Soon, Arabic will be a global language like French and Spanish. These kids are like sponges. It’s amazing to see their progress.’’

    Mamdouh yesterday played a version of duck, duck, goose with the kids using the Arabic words for mother and father — mama and baba — for ducks and geese.

    He also played a version of Simon Says where he would say a word or phrase in Arabic like, “ma drasti” — my school — and make a gesture like opening a book.

    Bella Moon Castro, 34, of Harlem, signed her son up and is glad he’ll have a chance to learn Arabic.

    “This makes the world smaller for the kids. It develops their confidence,” Castro said.

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    This is pretty cool, learning a language with a different alphabet will really stretch their brains. I approve.
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    This is truly awesome, but the political shitstorm will be epic.
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    Probably, but it shouldn't be from a libertarian POV -- the parents decided this.
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    They should be teaching the kids a real language like Java or C++, not Arabic.

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    I approve. Get the kids fluent in a language likely to be important in the intelligence community. Awesome bit of career planning by the parents.
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    twice a week for 45 minutes — putting it on equal footing with science
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorizael View Post
    They should be teaching the kids a real language like Java or C++, not Arabic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mad Monk View Post
    Probably, but it shouldn't be from a libertarian POV -- the parents decided this.
    And it's a "choice" public school.

    Then again, Libertarians would disagree on the basis public schools exist .
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    I would?
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    "Soon, Arabic will be a global language"?

    It has like 400 million speakers and is like the 4th or 5th most common language in the world. What does she mean by 'soon'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorizael View Post
    They should be teaching the kids a real language like Java or C++, not Arabic.
    Your comment about Arabic not being a real language comes off as quite bigoted. I'm actually quite surprised. Not surprised that HC agreed with it.
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    "They should teach kids a real language like German" would be bigoted; "they should teach kids a real language like Fortran" is a joke
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    Small world. My mother is one of the top comments on the NY Post article. What the ****?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
    "Soon, Arabic will be a global language"?

    It has like 400 million speakers and is like the 4th or 5th most common language in the world. What does she mean by 'soon'?
    Chinese has over a billion speakers, but I wouldn't call it a global language - the Chinese didn't colonize enough places for the language to be spoken much outside of China
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    Quote Originally Posted by loinburger View Post
    Chinese has over a billion speakers, but I wouldn't call it a global language - the Chinese didn't colonize enough places for the language to be spoken much outside of China
    There are a lot of people who know some level of Arabic anywhere Islam has spread which is globally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rah View Post
    Your comment about Arabic not being a real language comes off as quite bigoted. I'm actually quite surprised. Not surprised that HC agreed with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rah View Post
    Your comment about Arabic not being a real language comes off as quite bigoted. I'm actually quite surprised. Not surprised that HC agreed with it.
    I think it was a joke but Lori is Jewish, right?
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    Yes, my father is a Jew who doesn't believe in God, therefore I don't think Arabic is a real language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
    I think it was a joke but Lori is Jewish, right?
    His use of confused me. I can usually tell when he's joking.
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    Re:OP, Spanish would be more practical, albeit less exciting. Americans are more likely to come in contact with Spanish speakers at an early age--which will keep those lessons from withering away into oblivion after a few years in addition to improving their skills.

    OTOH, there's a good chance a number of those kids in NYC speak Spanish already.
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    Which version of the Arabic will they learn? It's more fractured than Spanish. Actually, do kids learn metropolitan Spanish or Mexican Spanish in the US?
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    Which version of the Arabic will they learn? It's more fractured than Spanish. Actually, do kids learn metropolitan Spanish or Mexican Spanish in the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
    "Soon, Arabic will be a global language"?

    It has like 400 million speakers and is like the 4th or 5th most common language in the world. What does she mean by 'soon'?
    Soon it might be relevant in the western hemisphere. Or does "global" mean "covering less than half of the globe"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by onodera View Post
    Which version of the Arabic will they learn? It's more fractured than Spanish. Actually, do kids learn metropolitan Spanish or Mexican Spanish in the US?
    Closer to Mexican Spanish.
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    It makes far more sense to learn Spanish or Latin, simpler languages that teach the foundation skills that are key to Arabic. This is just another attempt to stir up controversy by a bunch of tired old Jewbags in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rah View Post
    Your comment about Arabic not being a real language comes off as quite bigoted. I'm actually quite surprised. Not surprised that HC agreed with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorizael View Post
    They should be teaching the kids a real language like Java or C++, not Arabic.
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