Apolyton CTP2 Edition: Revision 1097 (07-Jun-2010)

[Yolky]

The GOG edition is the version available from gog.com (http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/call_to_power_2)

Thanks, now I know where to go, if I ever loose my CtP2 cd.

[Wozer]

Looks like your army already plays without the cleric. Maybe it died in the AI turn before, maybe by bombardment. Looks like you just should not give the order across turns, so that you are on the save side.

-Martin

But the problem allways appears. Not just over the rounds. Do you need another save with a safe turnover ?

[Martin Gühmann]

But the problem allways appears. Not just over the rounds. Do you need another save with a safe turnover ?

Well, I prevented the crash, but the army that was supposed to convert the city did not contain a cleric. So for me it looks that the order to convert the city was given on the turn before. And in the meantime the cleric was killed. Maybe it was bombed away. That's so far my guess. And this means if you stop in front of the city without giving the order than everything should be fine, and you give the order on the next turn, if the cleric is still there and the army wasn't moved, yet.

Of course, if you think that the cleric wasn't bombed away, than you have to give me the save game of one turn earlier.

-Martin

[Martin Gühmann]

I'm having the same problem, except I'm using the GOG edition of the game so there is no CD to be had.

I don't know whether the GOG version comes with the music, or with just the game data. The music is hidden on the CD, if you check out the content with the Windows Explorer than you don't see the music files.

If the GOG version comes with the music than I would expect that all the data uncompressed has total size between 600 and 700 MB.

-Martin

[MisterEd]

Been playing this AE version for awile, and it has been solid--you guys rock! But it finally crashed on me playing Hex's Cradle III - Gov Specific Units. Here is the crash file and the first 5 parts of the saved game.

Version 2010-06-08
0x0046e74f [?ConvertCity@ArmyData@@QAE?AW4ORDER_RESULT@@ABVMap Point@@@Z + 0x22f]
0x00477cb2 [?ExecuteSpecialOrder@ArmyData@@QAE_NPAVOrder@@AA_N @Z + 0x442]
0x00472d7a [?ExecuteOrders@ArmyData@@QAE_N_N@Z + 0x44a]
0x0047279f [?AddOrders@ArmyData@@QAEXW4UNIT_ORDER_TYPE@@PAVPat h@@ABVMapPoint@@HW4GAME_EVENT@@@Z + 0x64f]
0x00471e59 [?AddOrders@ArmyData@@QAEXW4UNIT_ORDER_TYPE@@ABVMap Point@@@Z + 0x19]
0x0047c9c4 [?GEVHookCallback@ArmyConvertCityOrderEvent@@EAE?AW 4GAME_EVENT_HOOK_DISPOSITION@@W4GAME_EVENT@@PAVGam eEventArgList@@@Z + 0x54]
0x00581297 [?Activate@GameEventHook@@QBE?AW4GAME_EVENT_ERR@@PA VGameEventArgList@@HAAH@Z + 0x37]
0x00581c58 [?ActivateHook@GameEventManager@@QAE?AW4GAME_EVENT_ ERR@@W4GAME_EVENT@@PAVGameEventArgList@@HAAH@Z + 0x28]
0x0057fd7d [?Process@GameEvent@@QAE?AW4GAME_EVENT_ERR@@XZ + 0x2d]
0x0040c211 [?Process@CivApp@@QAEHXZ + 0x201]
0x00406e74 [?CivMain@@YGHPAUHINSTANCE__@@0PADH@Z + 0x394]
0x004068a5 [WinMain@16 + 0x65]
0x0080fbdc [WinMainCRTStartup + 0x134]
0x77bfd0e9 [__onexitbegin + 0x77224191]
0x77a719bb [__onexitbegin + 0x77098a63]
0x77a7198e [__onexitbegin + 0x77098a36]

[MisterEd]

And the only 2 parts of the saved game

[MisterEd]

I tried to play the AE Mod in the Scenarios included with CTP2 AE and I got the following DB Errors

STRATEGY_ISLAND_MILITARIST not found in Strategy database
STRATEGY_ISLAND_DIPLOMATIC not found in Strategy database
STRATEGY_ISLAND_ECONOMIC not found in Strategy database
STRATEGY_ISLAND_SCIENTIST not found in Strategy database
STRATEGY_ISLAND_ECOTOPIAN not found in Strategy database

follwed by a CTD. Crash log follows:

Version 2010-06-08
0x006d7d45 [?Init@ctp2_Menu@@AAEXPBD_NP6AXPAV1@W4CTP2_MENU_ACT ION@@HPAX@Z@Z + 0xf5]
0x006d7b0a [??0ctp2_Menu@@QAE@_NP6AXPAV0@W4CTP2_MENU_ACTION@@H PAX@Z@Z + 0x1a]
0x006e7b94 [??0ControlPanelWindow@@QAE@PAW4AUI_ERRCODE@@IPADHW 4AUI_WINDOW_TYPE@@@Z + 0xc4]
0x006e6f15 [?controlpanelwindow_Initialize@@YAHXZ + 0x95]
0x0040a756 [?InitializeGameUI@CivApp@@AAEHXZ + 0x136]
0x0040cf7d [?Execute@StartGameAction@@UAEXPAVaui_Control@@II@Z + 0xd]
0x0040bd03 [?ProcessUI@CivApp@@AAEHIAAI@Z + 0x1b3]
0x0040c12b [?Process@CivApp@@QAEHXZ + 0x11b]
0x00406e74 [?CivMain@@YGHPAUHINSTANCE__@@0PADH@Z + 0x394]
0x004068a5 [WinMain@16 + 0x65]
0x0080fbdc [WinMainCRTStartup + 0x134]
0x77bfd0e9 [__onexitbegin + 0x77224191]
0x77a719bb [__onexitbegin + 0x77098a63]
0x77a7198e [__onexitbegin + 0x77098a36]

[Lurkalot]

in all previous versions I have been able to exceed the max city size of 60 by editing the data in the buildings file for improvements like arcologies, aqua filter and aquaduct. this version maxes out at 61 no matter how much I edit. How do I insrease the max city siae in thia version?

[ds-61-5]

Longtime lurker- CTP II fan with next to no technical skill [can install things like the codec etc, but no programming], but who has spent many hours over the years trying to get it to play.
I didn't know whether to post this in this thread, or on its own- sorry if it's in the wrong place.

After taking a couple years off with this due to frustration [see below] I was playing with the newest AE patch [which is really a splendid thing- so many great touches: flags in the diplomacy engine, the national borders, razing cities, etc- really love all of it] when I got to what one might think of as the endgame, 1971 or so. I was going for a science victory when the game corrupted; would crash out. Since I've never done a science victory before I wondered if that was the issue, so I backed up and reloaded, first to 1967, when I had built the improvements but no obelisks- still it crashed [after a few turns of the strange finances others report]. Thus, I backed up to 1952 and just ended my turn repeatedly. It ALWAYS crashes between 1968 and 1972. I had the crash logs enabled in the users.txt file but they don't seem to have been generated anywhere. I tried attaching my game files to this post but it says 'invalid file' when I try to copy my game saves to the board. [Is there a special way to format the game saves so that the message board will take it?]


I've always had a problem with this- different computers, different installations; vanilla, 1.1.. doesn't matter- can't finish the game.
I've only been able to complete a couple of bloodlust games, but most corrupt, and every multiplayer LAN game my brother and I have tried locks down somewhere between 1925 and 2020.

In spite of that, my brother and I just tried to do an MP game recently with just 1.11, but invariably one of our computers [this switches] can't run the game- upon loading the program it crashes, says failed to initialize, and displays an error referring to string/line 37; thus, we have to load AE to get it to run the game, but that in turn disables multiplayer.

So, I guess, a couple of questions [other than my savegame question above]. I know this is a buggy game, but is it this buggy? Is it normal to be unable, even with constant saves, minimal terraforming, etc. to complete A: an Apolyton single player game with the 1097 revisions; B: a 1.11 multiplayer game. Two, is it normal to be unable to get the game to load at all [aforementioned str37 error] with an installation of 1.11?
And three, since I've seen posts alluding the near impossibility of playtesting MP, does that mean that an Apolyton AE multiplayer is unlikely to happen?

I realize this is pretty much a useless post (I'd happily provide more data if I could) but I'd appreciate any help anyway.

[Martin Gühmann]

in all previous versions I have been able to exceed the max city size of 60 by editing the data in the buildings file for improvements like arcologies, aqua filter and aquaduct. this version maxes out at 61 no matter how much I edit. How do I insrease the max city siae in thia version?

You also have to edit the citysize.txt files, there is one for each level of difficulty.

-Martin

[Lurkalot]

You also have to edit the citysize.txt files, there is one for each level of difficulty.

-Martin

Thank you Martin working fine now

[Sava]

The Apolyton CTP2 Source Code team proudly presents the Apolyton CTP2 Edition Revision 1097 from June the 7th 2010.

404 not found error

[cue]

yea, cannot download the update.
Can someone please fix.

[JohnApples]

The site redesign seems to have caused a whole lot of files to go missing.

[Wizeazz101]

Is there a new location for the download of the latest version, I am still playing the version for 2007

[Petrell]

Is there a new location for the download of the latest version, I am still playing the version for 2007

I've uploaded the revision 1097 to my site. You can find it from downloads section inside temp folder. I'll be hosting at least until either old files are restored or new revision is released. Btw, the source code project site (http://apolyton.net/ctp2) is gone as well.

[cue]

@Petrell

Thank you.
You know how it is, when you get the urge to kill a civilization, you just have to go

[mapfi]

Got a problem with this one. the game crashes when I end the turn. Martin, can you help?

Maurus.zip

[Dinner]

I used to love this game back in the day but it is amazing to me how much attention it still gets even 10 years after it's release. I notice civ3 doesn't get this kind of attention and I some how think the steam version of Civ5 won't either.

[Martin Gühmann]

Got a problem with this one. the game crashes when I end the turn. Martin, can you help?

Probably, I can, but haven't looked into it. Just let you know that I haven't overlooked it.

I used to love this game back in the day but it is amazing to me how much attention it still gets even 10 years after it's release. I notice civ3 doesn't get this kind of attention and I some how think the steam version of Civ5 won't either.

For CTP2 you still get new patches, it is a game that still improves, while Civ3 is done. You won't get anything new from it anymore, so nothing exciting. And I think to make people keep playing a game it must be a challenge, so the AI must be really good, it must be programmed to win, at least get everything out of the level of difficulty and its environment on the map. That's why multiplayer is popular. And that's why programming an AI to lose is stupid. But from what I have seen from the CTP2 AI, I can tell you that programming an AI to win is much more difficult, so in the end an AI is not programmed to lose but bugged enough to lose.

At some point it is economically not feasible to debug it, that takes time, and for the CTP2 AI even more. Since we have some early design decisions that it makes even more difficult. And it is based on the CTP1 AI, which they more or less scrapped in the process. And in the end you have the little thousand things that degrade AI performance.

So I expect for Civ5 an AI that isn't as good as it could be, but I expect that they debugged it more than the original CTP2 AI.

-Martin

[Maquiladora]

I tried to play the AE Mod in the Scenarios included with CTP2 AE and I got the following DB Errors

STRATEGY_ISLAND_MILITARIST not found in Strategy database
STRATEGY_ISLAND_DIPLOMATIC not found in Strategy database
STRATEGY_ISLAND_ECONOMIC not found in Strategy database
STRATEGY_ISLAND_SCIENTIST not found in Strategy database
STRATEGY_ISLAND_ECOTOPIAN not found in Strategy database

Here's a fix for that (zip attached). Extract it to ...\Scenarios\AE_Mod\scen0000\default\aidata.

[Martin Gühmann]

Here's a fix for that (zip attached). Extract it to ...\Scenarios\AE_Mod\scen0000\default\aidata.

Maq, why don't you upload it to the repository?

-Martin

[Maquiladora]

I was hoping to make some more changes before I did. I likely upload in the next day or so.

[Maquiladora]

I noticed that E had intended to move the "view enemy health" option to the scenario editor, so you could only use it if you cheated. Any objections to this being done?

Is there a good reason why good animations, crash logging and mouse scroll delay=0 are not enabled by default? The mouse scroll delay is really useless.

[Martin Gühmann]

I noticed that E had intended to move the "view enemy health" option to the scenario editor, so you could only use it if you cheated. Any objections to this being done?

I use the show enemy health option, and frankly why shouldn't you be able to see from outside that a cannon is damaged. And for a stack you get an average health, anyway. So why is this cheating, anyway?

Is there a good reason why good animations, crash logging and mouse scroll delay=0 are not enabled by default? The mouse scroll delay is really useless.

There is no reason I know of.

-Martin

[Maquiladora]

I use the show enemy health option, and frankly why shouldn't you be able to see from outside that a cannon is damaged. And for a stack you get an average health, anyway. So why is this cheating, anyway?

It's not cheating I suppose, especially if the AI knows the HP of your units.

[EntropyW]

Haven't been here for a while. Starting to play CTPII again on a new PC. Have the latest AE files been unavailable for awhile? Anywhere else I can get them?

[Maquiladora]

Haven't been here for a while. Starting to play CTPII again on a new PC. Have the latest AE files been unavailable for awhile? Anywhere else I can get them?

Petrell has kindly provided a mirror to the Apolyton Edition while 'Poly sort out their download section.

You can also get it from WePlayCiv.

[mapfi]

Bugreport. Just got two, the second one is a known one, just as a reminder:
- Military treaty and full alliance have a problem. I can live happily with an AI in peace and it won't attack. Once I ask for an alliance and it agrees to it because it like me, it takes about ten to twenty turns and the AI turns its back on me and attacks me. It will immidiately agree to a truce and peace treaty again, though. It seems to me, that somehow, the fact that the AI has its units next to my cities (because it can) makes it override the alliance way too quickly. If it indeed it wants to stab me in my back, it should have much more units in my territory before killing the treaty. Thus, with a simple threshold, this might be easily curable.
- Stealth units' picture still appears a few tiles away when you run into them with a non-stealth unit. It's only the graphics, the unit is at the right spot and can be attacked. And it doesn't hapeen when you can see the stealth unit due to one of your stealth units anyway

Love it btw - anyone contributing and especially Martin: You're a star! Kudos!

[Martin Gühmann]

I updated the link in the first post, since the old server is now open, in read only mode.

-Martin