Reply With QuoteNintendo has won this generation of console war. The numbers dont lie.
"Move along, move along, we dont need to see your figures, these aren't the figures we looking for."
There's no joke here.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Nintendo has won this generation of console war. The numbers dont lie.
"Move along, move along, we dont need to see your figures, these aren't the figures we looking for."
The problem with that simpleton logic is there's not just one console market anymore. There's no way the people who buy the Wii Fit are, by and large, the same people who buy Halo 3 and GTA4.
There's clearly two distinct markets here, Nintendo has run away with one of them but they're losing badly in the other. Not that they care, what with their money-printing machine. But they've not made their core gamers very happy at all.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
False. It's far more accurate to say that they have made their core gamers happy, by quite sensibly switching their core market from a highly contested market to one they have, by and large, constructed.
You could legitimately say that they have not made their traditional core gamers happy.
The term "core" implicitly refers to the "traditional" core gamers. "core" is derived from "hardcore", DrSpike...Originally Posted by DrSpike
When you hear "core gamers" being referred to in the gaming press, it's the people who will buy Metroid Prime, Super Mario Galaxy, Halo 3, GTA4, etc...not the people who buy Wii Fit, even if from a business perspective Wii Fit is the new "core customer" for Nintendo. It really should have been obvious from the context what I was saying, even if you didn't know the gaming industry terminology. I don't know what your excuse will be...
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
I accept your apology. But don't do it again.
I was illustrating how you are confusing your terminology domains. But I accept your apology and attempted deflection.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Wow, two apologies in two posts. You really are turning over a new leaf Asher.
I just finished playing Gears of War 2 -- I played the entire thing on co-op, training mission included. There seems to be a bug and it is not unlocking the 50GP "friends with benefits" achievement, the details say I've only finished 28/29 chapters...which is amusing if I managed to finish the game that way (and yes, I did the "train the rook" part co-op...twice). Seems to be a very common issue online.
Way to piss me off right when I finish...
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
interesting article about people using 'hacking' on the 360 to get revenge for mp loses etc:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7888369.stm
So if this is happening on Live, it must also be possible on the sony and nintendo networks too surely? this makes me love on-line mp even less
Obviously you didn't do the ... necessary task ... to be considered 'friends with benefits'
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I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
Since when were DoS attacks considered hacking? Your country has alarmingly **** journalism.interesting article about people using 'hacking' on the 360 to get revenge for mp loses etc:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7888369.stm
So if this is happening on Live, it must also be possible on the sony and nintendo networks too surely? this makes me love on-line mp even less
I've never heard of this happening online, nor experienced it. If you don't like it, then **** off and don't play it already...christ.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Also ... opinions on GameFly? I figured it was a good way to a) try out a bunch of games (ie, Assassin's Creed, Mirror's Edge, Prince of Persia, etc.) that I didn't necessarily want to spend $20-$40 on each, and b) play my sports games without paying $60 a year for all four of them yet still get all four each year (I tend to play one sports game at a time, during its season, football, baseball, soccer, hockey). $240 is already basically the rate for gamefly, so it's effectively buying them and then getting the other games free.
I signed up for a month for 2 out, at a reduced rate, and was marginally annoyed to find that nearly every sports game - including ones well out of season, like Madden - were 'low' (seemingly their lowest category), in addition to several of the other games I was interested in. I put two sports games in the top 3, so we'll see if I get either one... well, three in the top 4 but one of them is a baseball game out 3/3/09.
Particularly I guess I'm curious how often a 'low' availability game actually comes, and if I put some 'high' availability games low on my queue if they mysteriously show up instead of the low availability games with a high frequency?
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I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
I have my doubts about the value of those services - at least for me. If you are sensible and only buy games with decent reviews they aren't expensive for the hours of play they give. And renting decent games usually ends up costing you almost as much with far less flexibility, unless you are able to put in mammoth sessions when you get rentals.
Well, GameFly is like NetFlix - unlimited time with any given game, except in that your time is worth ~$0.40 per game per day. So the flexibility is there, though you pay for it...
For me it will be worth it so long as the availability is acceptable, and the time-to-deliver is good enough... but those are two pretty big questions
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I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
It usually depends on what games you are after. The newest release titles you will wait a while for in the equivalent services here. Delviery times have been excellent though in my experience.
Gamefly has some sort of "fast return" thing where some of the US post offices will track the arrival of your game at the post office and that will count as a return, freeing up a rental slot. This is in contrast to Netflix, which requires your DVD to get all the way back to a Netflix facility before it'll count as a return. It shaves a day or two off the whole process.
"lol internet" ~ AAHZ
Yeah, I noticed that... not bad. OTOH it takes a day or two longer than NetFlix to arrive (NF is nearly always next day for me) apparently.
Sure enough, neither sports game (NHL nor FIFA) is on its way... Mirror's Edge and, oddly enough, one of my lowest ranked games, Soulcalibur 4. Ah well. The latter will probably be two days and gone, knowing me.
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I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
I found a bit more detail regaurding the xbox live 'boot out'/dos/hack thing:
http://blog.spywareguide.com/2009/02...ts-to-ddo.html
it's a new thing and apart from asher who else uses live for mp and have you come across it? Halo3 seems to be a popular target for this trick.
I'm also interested in the wider aspect of this kind of thing becoming a 'normal' vunerability of on-line mp based console gaming, no matter the platform. I guess you could start to see this kind of thing happen on Wii and PS3 as well, although they are not as PC based as an xbox, i'm sure the same trick could work on those platforms also?
And yes it wont ever effect me, but i'm interested in the details.
I use Live occasionally, for CoD, but I haven't seen it.
To be fair, Asher, DoS is generally considered hacking by the media.
Oh, give it a rest.
This trick is as old as the internet. I remember people being DoSed playing Trade Wars in 1994. It was common as hell back in the Diablo days as well -- people would either packetbomb (DoS) someone or they would WinNuke -- a bug in early versions of windows 95/98 that means someone could plug in your IP and hit NUKE and it'd bluescreen you.
This **** is old, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Xbox Live. It's also not at all common, it's far easier to do on the PC and to do it on Xbox Live requires a lot of work and know-how, or using a paid service (which is beyond pathetic).
It's a non news story to anyone who knows anything. It is certainly NOT new. All these people are doing is sniffing the IPs of people you are playing with -- if you're on a network, this is impossible to avoid! Then they're bombing it with data to slow their network down.
And what in the flying **** are you talking about with the Xbox being "more PC based"? That makes no sense in any kind of circumstances. Holy ****.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Yeah the chance factor is one of the things that puts me off. Also looking at those games, with sports games I prefer to dip in and out rather than play in a short time, which doesn't lend itself to rentals. Mirror's Edge didn't sell well here and you can already bargain bin it for £15 or so. SC as an older game you can get on fleabay for about £10. Any game you complete fast can be fleabayed for what you paid for it, minus postage maybe.
I don't see myself entering this market. It seems to be pretty popular though.
On the hack stuff no it's not new - but it is quite unusual on consoles, and with lack of cheating/hacking touted as a console feature this is a perfectly valid topic to discuss. If anyone wishes to sit out of said discussion they of course can.
There's nothing to be discussed. If you're on the internet, you are susceptible to DoS attacks. This should be common sense. This is not an application-domain (console vs PC, xbox live vs PS3) issue. It's an internet issue.On the hack stuff no it's not new - but it is quite unusual on consoles, and with lack of cheating/hacking touted as a console feature this is a perfectly valid topic to discuss. If anyone wishes to sit out of said discussion they of course can.
Drop in a couple gems like the "xbox 360 being more PC-like" and you've got yourself a prime candidate for most retarded discussion on this site in months.
If you'd like to discuss internet topology, which is what this discussion is REALLY about, then start up a thread in the Technical forum where I can manhandle you two there. This issue really has nothing to do with consoles, let alone Other Games.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Agreed.
No desire to do either thanks.
You are letting your dislike for El Cid and your knee jerk reaction to defend any perceived slight to consoles to blind you to the clear fact that this issue is relevant to the usual PC v console discussions that happen here.
It's not really technical possibilities that interest most posters - more practical implications across consoles, if there are any.
Got home sort of late last night, but there were GameFly wrappers in my post
Mirror's Edge is a ***** ... I think I like the game, but it's VERY difficult for me. I'm on the second real level, the one where you
Spoiler:
and I can't
... I have a feeling it's some move I just don't do well (possibly wall crawling, I am horrible at that) but I spent half an hour on it (admittedly late) last night and got nowhere. Lots of dying...Spoiler:
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I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
My friend (a real life parkour student) got the game and I watched him play it. It's pretty cool - I like the fact that the emphasis is on mobility first and combat only as a distant second. But, the game appears to be pretty linear, and there are several combat-heavy situations where you will get killed several times before succeeding.
So a good game but with a few stylistic and design flaws that turned me away.
"lol internet" ~ AAHZ
http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...51N4GY20090224
so the xbox is the only console good for your health?
Well, I'd imagine you wouldn't have those problems with the Wii controller either.
"lol internet" ~ AAHZ
Yeah, I can see that. I'm getting slightly better at the game mobility-wise, and generally once I can see the solution to the puzzles I can solve them (though wall running is still a ****). I'm currently dealing with having to disarm three guys with machine guns (I can either do that or disarm one and shoot the others, but I'm a former Thief player so I prefer to go without guns; might as well try for that achievement anyway, I'm certainly not getting the 30 bags achievement as I've found maybe 2.)
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I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
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