British Agressor blames black youth

[Barnabas]

Blair blames spate of murders on black culture


· Political correctness not helping, says PM
· Community leaders react angrily to comments

Comment: Claudia Webbe

Patrick Wintour and Vikram Dodd
Thursday April 12, 2007
The Guardian


Tony Blair yesterday claimed the spate of knife and gun murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but a distinctive black culture. His remarks angered community leaders, who accused him of ignorance and failing to provide support for black-led efforts to tackle the problem.
One accused him of misunderstanding the advice he had been given on the issue at a Downing Street summit.

Black community leaders reacted after Mr Blair said the recent violence should not be treated as part of a general crime wave, but as specific to black youth. He said people had to drop their political correctness and recognise that the violence would not be stopped "by pretending it is not young black kids doing it".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/...055148,00.html

[SlowwHand]

He's a short-timer. What does he care? He can say anything he wants to say.

[Dis]

I agree, it's the same problem in the U.S. Why does the culture have to revolve around gang and gang music?

[Ned]

I don't know whether Blair is right or wrong on this issue in England, but PC is a potent force. We all know who al Qa'ida are, but we still search little old ladies, mothers and old men because of PC.

[Pekka]

Come on Ned, we also know who runs the world with their money, you know, the claw..

But sure, PC is a powerful weapon and I also get irritated when I see PC police.

[Dauphin]

The problem with the police force is that they were institutionally racist (see Stephen Lawrence). Whether the problem is restricted to black youths or not, the statement implicitly states to certain groups that all black youths are to blame, which is not its intended meaning.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ned
I don't know whether Blair is right or wrong on this issue in England, but PC is a potent force. We all know who al Qa'ida are, but we still search little old ladies, mothers and old men because of PC.

Actually we're doing so because to exclude a given category of people would be stupid.

[Caligastia]

I'm amazed. There is no way any American politician would dare to say this.

[Gibsie]

I too am amazed. Well done Tony Blair!

[Provost Harrison]

There is an issue of a particular culture which seems to be predominant amongst black youths. But again we go down a slippery slope if we associate this with all black youths. It would be the same as calling all white youths chavs and all muslim youths terrorists really.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Dis
I agree, it's the same problem in the U.S. Why does the culture have to revolve around gang and gang music?

That nappy-headed bad ass ho gangsta rappin' bee-yatch Toni Morrison.

Stevie Wonder too- and Colin Powell, Condi Rice and Marsalis.

Gangsta rappers all.

but we still search little old ladies, mothers and old men because of PC.

Ned


Not because one of the suspects in the failed London bomb plot is meant to have disguised himself in a burqa then ?

Or because terrorism can be committed by young and old, male and female ?

' Men do it, women do it, even priests in the comfort of their soutanes do it, let's all make a bomb...'

Henry McDonald, Ireland editor
Sunday December 22, 2002
The Observer

Calls have been made for a full public inquiry into the role of clergymen in terrorism after The Observer learnt that three more priests were involved with the Provisional IRA at the time of the 1972 Claudy bomb massacre.

One of the priests was the IRA's officer commanding the Provos' North Antrim Brigade. He cannot be named for legal reasons.

The other priests who joined the IRA at the beginning of the Ulster Troubles were Father Patrick Fell and Father John Burns.

Fell served more than 10 years in an English jail over a conspiracy to cause explosions in Coventry during the early Seventies.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...864443,00.html

I remember the Fell case well- I was living in Coventry at the time.

P.C. my R.I.A. .

[AAHZ]

please dont get me started...

that wouldnt be cool...

if yall already know my stance, good. if not, please dont continue the stereotypes...

thankyou...
piece

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
There is an issue of a particular culture which seems to be predominant amongst black youths. But again we go down a slippery slope if we associate this with all black youths. It would be the same as calling all white youths chavs and all muslim youths terrorists really.

It's only a slippery slope if we are unable to distinguish cases where it is appropriate from those where it is not. Since we can, there is no slippery slope.

[Provost Harrison]

Yeah, if only Hitler could have weeded out the pesky Jews

[Sirotnikov]

Jews weren't listening to rap music and running gangs on the streets of Berlin

Beeeyatch

[Dr Strangelove]

Right, that was the gypsies.

[Japher]

damn gypsies... stole my watch!

[Dr Strangelove]

For the past several decades the UK has typically had a homicide rate of about 40 lives/year. Has that increased significantly in the past few years and if so are Brits of African descent really diproportionately committing them? In the US African-Americans, who are approximately 12 % of the population, acount for about half the homicides annually, both as perpetrators and as victims. Most violent crimes committed by black Americans is black on black.
Just for the sake of comparison, while the average homicide rate in the UK has traditionally been about 40/year the typical murder rate for Richmond Virginaia runs 20 to 30/year. The UK has a population of 60+ million, whereas Richmond's population is about 300,000.

[Gibsie]

Going by the papers it seems like there's already been 40 murders so far this year, most from black on black crime... of course it may seem like more since there's been so much talk in the media.

[Colon™]

[Kuciwalker]

Um, units?

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Um, units?

/me right-clicks
/me clicks "image properties"
/me reads

http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/files/images/TREND_Homicide_06.gif

It appears Doc S's 40/yr is off by a factor of ~20

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
For the past several decades the UK has typically had a homicide rate of about 40 lives/year.

Way off. In a population of 60 million, 40 homicides per year would probably make Britain the nation with the lowest homicide rates by a huge margin.

Has that increased significantly in the past few years

As ever, crime stats should be approached with caution. However, the ones given greatest credibility suggest a fall over recent years. This is the survey generally considered the most significant-

http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/page63.asp

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Um, units?

1 on the chart = 1 homicide

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

See that spike in the homicide rates in 2002/2003?

That's down to one man- Dr Harold Shipman. The inquest was concluded and racked up 200 murders to his name.

[Dauphin]

They should have backdated.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

That's another drawback in crime stats. It's not a homicide until it's been found as such by court or inquest- even in that's decades later.

[Lazerus]

Yay for once Tony spoke free of PC spin

[DrSpike]

I think what Blair said was fine. Sadly, in the current climate he probably wouldn't say it it if he didn't already know his date of departure.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
See that spike in the homicide rates in 2002/2003?

That's down to one man- Dr Harold Shipman. The inquest was concluded and racked up 200 murders to his name.

Wow.