I lament for my generation . . . . . . . .

Lorizael · September 28, 2006, 09:53

Originally posted by Spec
Dude, that's just for carbon dioxide...

Why dont you take the whole picture. Like for chromium for the leather industry, CFC gas, coal plants, nuclear waste...

Posting links that suit you just to get an edge without taking the whole picture into consideration is not really convincing.

Try again.

Spec.

At least he's presented links and information at all.

You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy india.. you criminal...

LordShiva · September 28, 2006, 09:55

Originally posted by Spec
In india, they cant even understand themselfs.

Maybe that's why there's an overpopulation problem. People misunderstand each other

- Would you like some coffee?
- No.
- What did you say? Let's have a baby? Umm, OK, if you want.

BeBro · September 28, 2006, 09:59

In India they a have quite a lot of people. Maybe that plays a role too

Spec · September 28, 2006, 10:06

Originally posted by Lorizael

At least he's presented links and information at all.

You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy india.. you criminal...

You want links and proof, Ill give you fvcking links. Unlike you, I dont talk out of my ass. So here, goes. Ill waste a couple of minutes to prove to you Im right even though you could find the info your sefl but are to lazy to do so.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/indiaenv.html

Industrialization and urbanization have resulted in a profound deterioration of India's air quality. India has more than 20 cities with populations of at least 1 million, and some of them--including New Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, and Kolkata--are among the world's most polluted. Urban air quality ranks among the world's worst. Of the 3 million premature deaths in the world that occur each year due to outdoor and indoor air pollution, the highest number are assessed to occur in India. Sources of air pollution, India's most severe environmental problem, come in several forms, including vehicular emissions and untreated industrial smoke.

Want some more, here goes.

http://static.teriin.org/reports/rep01/rep0106.htm

Have fun.

Coal is cancerous (or however its said, I dont care, you know what I mean) and is illegal in most countries now, like in CANADA! If you look at the whole picture, for an industrialised country, canada is one of the least polluting ones.

India

Spec.

Wezil · September 28, 2006, 10:09

Coal is illegal here?

Spec · September 28, 2006, 10:14

Yes. We have no coal plants.

Well, not anymore.

Spec.

Cort Haus · September 28, 2006, 10:15

Well it's interesting to see how fluffy green politics quickly translates into an excuse for a national hatred. A while back it was China getting it in the neck on this forum for having the temerity to industrialise itself, now its India.

Spec · September 28, 2006, 10:15

Sure, flip it around.

I have reasons to hate the country , and I explained them, just like you would have reason to hate Fords, if you did.

Everybody has a right to an opinion.

Spec.

Wezil · September 28, 2006, 10:16

Originally posted by Spec
Yes. We have no coal plants.

Well, not anymore.

Spec.

I think I have to call BS on that. I know your reluctance to source stuff so I'll take a peek and see if I can confirm my suspicion.

LordShiva · September 28, 2006, 10:18

Originally posted by Spec
Dude, that's just for carbon dioxide...

Why dont you take the whole picture. Like for chromium for the leather industry, CFC gas, coal plants, nuclear waste...

Posting links that suit you just to get an edge without taking the whole picture into consideration is not really convincing.

Oh noes! Chromium for leather pollution! That problem is so bad that Al Gore made a whole movie about it!!

Spec · September 28, 2006, 10:18

Originally posted by Wezil

I think I have to call BS on that. I know your reluctance to source stuff so I'll take a peek and see if I can confirm my suspicion.

Sorry, in Quebec, my mistake. I have links, but can you guys read in french?

Spec.

Lorizael · September 28, 2006, 10:23

K.

From your own links...

In 2001, India, with 251 million metric tons of carbon equivalent emitted, ranked fifth in the world in carbon emissions, behind the United States, China, Russia and Japan.

...India's carbon emissions stood at only 80% of Japan's (316 million metric tons of carbon equivalent) total and less than one-sixth of the United States' (1,565 million metric tons) carbon emissions that same year...

India's per capita carbon emissions are relatively low - at 0.25 metric tons of carbon per person in 2001, India's per capita carbon emissions were less than one-quarter of the world average and 22 times less than the United States.

Wezil · September 28, 2006, 10:23

So I don't need to source?

Ontario alone has 4 (I think 3 now - we closed one).

http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/index.cf...sh.electricity

Spec · September 28, 2006, 10:24

Originally posted by LordShiva

Oh noes! Chromium for leather pollution! That problem is so bad that Al Gore made a whole movie about it!!

Wow, you uninformed twitt.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts7.html

Breathing high levels of chromium(VI) can cause irritation to the nose, such as runny nose, nosebleeds, and ulcers and holes in the nasal septum.

Ingesting large amounts of chromium(VI) can cause stomach upsets and ulcers, convulsions, kidney and liver damage, and even death.

Skin contact with certain chromium(VI) compounds can cause skin ulcers. Some people are extremely sensitive to chromium(VI) or chromium(III). Allergic reactions consisting of severe redness and swelling of the skin have been noted.

Please oh please, chromium is harmeless!

Spec.

Spec · September 28, 2006, 10:24

Originally posted by Wezil
So I don't need to source?

Ontario alone has 4 (I think 3 now - we closed one).

http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/index.cf...sh.electricity

No you dont. But we are closing them down slowly. In quebec we have none.

Spec.

LordShiva · September 28, 2006, 10:29

Originally posted by Spec
Please oh please, chromium is harmeless!

Kinda like carbon dioxide, then? Of which Canada is the world's 4th worst offender in terms of per capita output?

Spec · September 28, 2006, 10:38

ok then you wanna play on CO2. What filters CO2...hmmmm....trees right. And how many trees does canada have compared to other countries? If every contry had the amount of people per square mile as we do, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.

Spec.

LordShiva · September 28, 2006, 10:40

Originally posted by Spec
If every contry had the amount of people per square mile as we do, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.

This is true.

Also, if there was no such thing as pollution, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.

If little green fairies flew out of our asses and cleaned up all the pollution in the world, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.

Lorizael · September 28, 2006, 10:41

Also, if we all had the population density of Canada, we probably wouldn't have the technology we have today.

Spec · September 28, 2006, 10:48

Originally posted by LordShiva

This is true.

Also, if there was no such thing as pollution, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.

If little green fairies flew out of our asses and cleaned up all the pollution in the world, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.

There's really no way to make sense with you. You just flip things around just to be right without even thinking rationaly about what you're saying.

Spec.

Spec · September 28, 2006, 10:49

Originally posted by Lorizael
Also, if we all had the population density of Canada, we probably wouldn't have the technology we have today.

Not necessarly true, but I understand your point. But that's a whole other matter.

Spec.

LordShiva · September 28, 2006, 10:51

Originally posted by Spec
There's really no way to make sense with you. You just flip things around just to be right without even thinking rationaly about what you're saying.

Hey, you were the one who started the whole "Let's talk about totally unrealistic scenarios" thing

Cort Haus · September 28, 2006, 10:51

Originally posted by Spec
Sure, flip it around.

I have reasons to hate the country , and I explained them, just like you would have reason to hate Fords, if you did.

Everybody has a right to an opinion.

Who said anything about not having the right to an opinion? Just expect it to get shot at by people who have different opinions.

My point is that Green politics is turning out to be almost as good a way to get people to hate each other as things like religious and ethno-extremism.

For those of us that don't think that the word of the Greens is 'gospel', it is a corrosive and divisive politics, dressed as a self-righteous one.

Lorizael · September 28, 2006, 10:54

Originally posted by Spec
Not necessarly true, but I understand your point. But that's a whole other matter.

Spec.

Yes. It is.

Anyways.

How about the quote from the article you posted, saying that India's per capita carbon emissions were less than one-quarter of the world average? How does that fit into your scheme?

LordShiva · September 28, 2006, 10:55

To be fair to Spec, he doesn't hate India only because it pollutes - he also hates the fact that Indians would dare have a different accent than his, and because English isn't their first language.

Wezil · September 28, 2006, 11:00

Spec - Your assertion of Quebec power generation appears true (to a point - coal is not 'illegal' just not part of government policy to use). The vast majority of Quebec power is from hydro-electric.

Now, if the rest of the provinces could get such a sweet deal from the newfies or, in the alternative, flood several thousand hectares of native land we could do the same.

VetLegion · September 28, 2006, 11:02

Originally posted by Spec
ok then you wanna play on CO2. What filters CO2...hmmmm....trees right.

Nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest

Although often thought of as as carbon dioxide sinks, mature forests are approximately carbon neutral

Jon Miller · September 28, 2006, 11:03

It's all about the oceans

JM

Spec · September 28, 2006, 11:04

Originally posted by Lorizael

Yes. It is.

Anyways.

No it's not necessarly true. We are 35000000 and we have many many thec advances and inventions under our flag. How many does India have for a 1.1billion population that just lay there. They dont help with thecnology as amuch as other countries with the quarter of their population. Anyway.

How about the quote from the article you posted, saying that India's per capita carbon emissions were less than one-quarter of the world average? How does that fit into your scheme?

Not as much thecnology or money. Not everyone have cars over there, they walk or ride bikes. That helps a lot.

Spec.

Spec · September 28, 2006, 11:06

Originally posted by LordShiva
To be fair to Spec, he doesn't hate India only because it pollutes - he also hates the fact that Indians would dare have a different accent than his, and because English isn't their first language.

God you're an *******.

I know you're just trolling, or your just a plain idiot...If so, I dont understand how you could tie your own shoes...

Spec.