Leaders Firaxis considered but didn't include (from art files)

dearmad · October 30, 2005, 16:27

There are little 16x16 pictures of each leader:

Arabia: Mohammad

Egypt: Menes

Greece: Pericles (!) that would have been good!

Japan: Meiji

Mali: Sundjata

Mongol: Ogodei

Persia: Darius (another good choice lsot)

Rome: Augustus

Sioux(!): Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull

Spain: Charles V

Sumeria(!): Sargon and Gilgemesh

Imran Siddiqui · October 30, 2005, 17:15

Arabia: Mohammad

That's probably a good idea

. Having leaders of religions as leaders in the game is just asking for protests

.

Bill3000 · October 30, 2005, 17:21

Perciles would be an excellent choice... Maybe it is just me, but I'm getting tired of Alexander all the time.

Niptium · October 30, 2005, 17:25

Pericles ? WTF - he was Athens's mayor and not Greece's leader. In fact only Alexander can even considered as such...

Ninot · October 30, 2005, 17:29

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Arabia: Mohammad

That's probably a good idea

. Having leaders of religions as leaders in the game is just asking for protests

.

Maybe I'm being small minded, but in my studies of Arabia and Mohammad, I can't imagine how he would be a controversial leader.

Solver · October 30, 2005, 17:34

And Alexander is Macedonian, too...

Greece indeed has the Macedonian Alexander, and a number of famous Athenian and Spartan leaders, but not really many leaders of Greece per se.

Imran Siddiqui · October 30, 2005, 17:36

Originally posted by Ninot
Maybe I'm being small minded, but in my studies of Arabia and Mohammad, I can't imagine how he would be a controversial leader.

Can you imagine Moses as an Israeli leader? Or Jesus as a leader? People would be pissed their 'prophet' would be a leader of a civilation with leader traits and doing nasty things or whatnot.

Locutus · October 30, 2005, 17:55

Originally posted by Ninot
Maybe I'm being small minded, but in my studies of Arabia and Mohammad, I can't imagine how he would be a controversial leader.

Because it would require depicting him as a leaderhead?

Anyway, those are only the ones of which (very rough) concept art was made, I think there were a couple more that were considered but that didn't even make it that far. That the art isn't there doesn't really mean much, other than to illustrate that sinlge every aspect of the game was thoroughly reviewed and revised over and over and over and over again

asleepathewheel · October 30, 2005, 18:08

Good find!

Maybe Firaxis will use some hidden tricks ni future patches.

MythicalMino · October 30, 2005, 18:24

i think for Israel....King David and King Solomon

Arnelos · October 30, 2005, 19:01

Pericles for the Greeks would have been AWESOME. I have been renaming my Greek leaders Pericles since Civ1.

notyoueither · October 30, 2005, 19:06

Originally posted by Ninot

Maybe I'm being small minded, but in my studies of Arabia and Mohammad, I can't imagine how he would be a controversial leader.

Depicting his image is a grave offence for Muslims and to Muslims.

It would also add complications having him as a leader of a civ that... used pigs for health purposes (what about shellfish? I'm not sure) and perhaps used some of the civics.

All in all, bad idea to even risk offending a whole lot of people.

LordShiva · October 30, 2005, 19:43

Originally posted by dearmad
Arabia: Mohammad

Wow. I absolutely can't believe Firaxis would consider something like that. Must have been some other guy.

dearmad · October 30, 2005, 19:45

Well, Mohammad DID lead the Arabs for a time and profoundly changed their course through history.

notyoueither · October 30, 2005, 19:47

Originally posted by LordShiva

Wow. I absolutely can't believe Firaxis would consider something like that. Must have been some other guy.

In development, 'considered' is often one or two people thinking 'this would be cool.'

Firaxis, more than one or two guys, most certainly should be smarter than to consider allowing that to stand.

Kuciwalker · October 30, 2005, 19:54

Originally posted by Arnelos
Pericles for the Greeks would have been AWESOME. I have been renaming my Greek leaders Pericles since Civ1.

Quoted for TRUTH.

Venger · October 30, 2005, 22:40

Aha, so my Caesar Augustus was already a seed in the Firaxian mind! Pericles and Darius would also be good (though Darius kind of wimped out)...

Venger

Joseph · October 30, 2005, 22:54

Arabia: Mohammad

This person should never be in a game. If OBL and his boys ever found out, they just might go after the studio that made the game.

Thud · November 1, 2005, 13:06

Since we have Roosevelt. I wouldn've liked to see Churchill for the Brits, though they already got two leaders.

There are some controversies Firaxis won't touch. They include FDR and the Navy SEALS, but stop at having Panzers without including Hitler. Similarly, they will not include Mohammhed.

I'm surprised that the Sioux were not included. Civ II had them, after all.

dregor · November 1, 2005, 13:16

Can you post the pictures? Or tell me how to find them?

Andrew1999 · November 1, 2005, 13:21

Originally posted by Joseph
Arabia: Mohammad

This person should never be in a game. If OBL and his boys ever found out, they just might go after the studio that made the game.

Can we convince them that it's still made by Infogrames/Atari?

Joseph · November 1, 2005, 20:31

Originally posted by Andrew1999

Can we convince them that it's still made by Infogrames/Atari?

We could try

Boris Godunov · November 1, 2005, 20:54

Originally posted by dearmad
Well, Mohammad DID lead the Arabs for a time and profoundly changed their course through history.

That's not the point nye was making. The depiction of Mohammed's visage is considered a horrible sin in Islam. It's an offense that need not be made.

monkspider · November 1, 2005, 21:35

Fascinating, it should be interesting to see some of these guys in a future expansion.

Nailfoot · November 1, 2005, 21:37

Originally posted by monkspider
Fascinating, it should be interesting to see some of these guys in a future expansion.

Some of these guys would only ever make it in a "Player made expansion" for the reasons already pointed out. But, it would be an interesting twist, eh?

monkspider · November 1, 2005, 21:43

I'm sure that we will see at least a few of these guys in the future. Pericles, Augustus, Darius, Menes, Meiji are all shoe-ins I would say.

What I find most interesting is that Firaxis would have included Sumeria and Sioux over Babylon and Iroquois. That really surprises me, and I can't say that I would necessarily agree with the choice.

LordShiva · November 1, 2005, 22:43

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Quoted for TRUTH.

How do you know he's been calling his Greek leader Pericles since Civ 1?

Aro · November 1, 2005, 22:59

Originally posted by Arnelos
Pericles for the Greeks would have been AWESOME. I have been renaming my Greek leaders Pericles since Civ1.

Barnabas · November 1, 2005, 23:01

Pericles would have been excellent

Firaxis guys, if you are reading, put Pericles in for the next expansion
!!

jkp1187 · November 2, 2005, 09:07

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

That's not the point nye was making. The depiction of Mohammed's visage is considered a horrible sin in Islam. It's an offense that need not be made.

Yes, well, I'm not Muslim. It's a shame that they felt the needs to trim their sails to avoid offending knownothing supersitious religionists, still smarting over the Crusades, and Salman Rushdie.

I'm very interested in activating some of these alternate leaderheads, if there's a way to do this. Where are these files located???