Moo3: An ugly end to the MOO series? (long review)

[krait23]

"Very well said and while some people can still say they may "like" MOO3,,, no one can defend it .."

I think this hits the nail on the head. Most positive reviews of MoO3 I read were like something I myself would write over Freelancer if I bothered. It has many shortcomings and I am sure many people will hate it especially since its so far from being a successor to Elite. But after working through some initial frustration I got a lot of hours with good fun out of it, which regrettably didn't happen with MoO3.

I can't really say why it was fun though. It has so many faults. I could list a ton of faults here, but nearly nothing that was great. But it was fun. Honestly though I would not recommend buying it anymore than MoO3.

Lata
Krait

[Hawkmoon]

Aule1

If you want an actual response try using complete quotes instead of just pieces of what I say.

In the end, your choices decide what direction your empire goes. If want a big, powerful fleet fast............ *I* make the changes to produce them. The computer will not.

Hmmm, actually, that comment applies to EVERYTHING in game. Your decisions affect how things go.

There are two types of people in this world.......... the administrator of tasks.........and the doer of deeds. Since the Viceroys and AI are the administrator of tasks(doing the same thing day in and day out), people like that in the real world have to complain about it because it gives them nothing to do.

For the doers of deeds, like a King, President, or Emporer this game rocks. Because they can leave the tedium to the small people where it belongs just like in the real world.

[krait23]

One persons tedium is another persons excitement and vice versa.

I don't find good tactical combat tedious, neither do I find it tedious to micromanage my planets to get the optimal result out of them. I do get excitement out of finally reaching an important new technology after waiting for some time.

I do find a tactical combat where my decisions are rather limited and the ships are indiscernable tiny dots tedious. I do find it tedious to set some vague general direction and let the details be managed by AI which more often then not ignores those directions. I do find it tedious to get bombarded with dozens of insignificant tech breakthroughs every turn.

Besides the game is called Master of Orion, not Emperor of Orion (as it obviously should be). And I think you got something wrong there. The doers of deeds are the Starship Captains, Ground Troop Generals, Factory Managers, Research Leaders etc. The Emperor is the Administrator. (At least thats my conception). And I find it much more exciting to control all the aspects of the doers of deeds rathern than only be the gently nudging Administrator.

The Administrator is who is later remembered by History. But the doers accumulate a lot more excitement in all their tasks than the admin ever will in his.

Lata
Krait

[Hawkmoon]

You're right. I was just talking crap to the kid cause it was all he deserved

You could play the game as much as you want, or let the computer play it for you. I kind of like the concept, especially when playing in a distracting area

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by krait23
One persons tedium is another persons excitement and vice versa.

I don't find good tactical combat tedious, neither do I find it tedious to micromanage my planets to get the optimal result out of them. I do get excitement out of finally reaching an important new technology after waiting for some time.

I do find a tactical combat where my decisions are rather limited and the ships are indiscernable tiny dots tedious. I do find it tedious to set some vague general direction and let the details be managed by AI which more often then not ignores those directions. I do find it tedious to get bombarded with dozens of insignificant tech breakthroughs every turn.

Besides the game is called Master of Orion, not Emperor of Orion (as it obviously should be). And I think you got something wrong there. The doers of deeds are the Starship Captains, Ground Troop Generals, Factory Managers, Research Leaders etc. The Emperor is the Administrator. (At least thats my conception). And I find it much more exciting to control all the aspects of the doers of deeds rathern than only be the gently nudging Administrator.

The Administrator is who is later remembered by History. But the doers accumulate a lot more excitement in all their tasks than the admin ever will in his.

Lata
Krait

All Great Empire have the Great Administator of task and Great Do or deeds, it need both type to run smootly. Where would your battle fleet be without the industrys and mines to built the nessarry parts and the spacedock's to built ther ship from the parts make by your indrusty's.

The Great Pyramid that where built where not built of cut stone but than form of ancient concete pour into big mold on the sites of the builting.

[PDifolco]

Originally posted by Hawkmoon
You're right. I was just talking crap to the kid cause it was all he deserved

You could play the game as much as you want, or let the computer play it for you. I kind of like the concept, especially when playing in a distracting area

Yeah, do you enjoy screensavers ? Thos with bubbling fishes are very relaxing ..

[optimus2861]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
The Great Pyramid that where built where not built of cut stone but than form of ancient concete pour into big mold on the sites of the builting.

A bit OT, but I'll bite.

Source? A Discovery Channel program I saw not long ago said exactly the opposite; that it was cut stone, cut to exacting precision by the masonists, both offsite and onsite.

[Jack_www]

Personally when I play MOO3 I feel as if the game is running itself, and does not really need me for any input. I thought this game would be funner, but I dont know. The reviewer is right, it feels as if anything you do is pointless and has no effect on the game. I wished I had not wasted $50 on this game, but I have learned something that I should never ever forget, NEVER BUY A GAME PUT OUT BY INFOCRAP.

[Jack_www]

also anther sign MOO3 really stinks is when the price starts to fall like a rock only after one month in the stores.

[Vince278]

Not that I want to defend the Diplomacy AI but it occurred to me that the alien races have an alien mindset that, to us, would appear to be erratic and incomprehensible. So the AI isn't broken, its just being "alien".

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by optimus2861

A bit OT, but I'll bite.

Source? A Discovery Channel program I saw not long ago said exactly the opposite; that it was cut stone, cut to exacting precision by the masonists, both offsite and onsite.

The ancient Egyyt have only copper tool to cut one of the harder granite rock around which need iron tool to cut. Plus
the core of the great pydrin is make up of granite rock that weight 250 tons and goes up to 1/3 of the height of builting.
They have no crane to lift just weight. Plus the mark on the stone of the builting donot match any of the marks of the Granite site know to Egpyt.

Some of our historian donot want to say the Egpytian knew how to make than form of concete as it would mess up they
western timeline for discover's where the ancient roman where the first one to discover concrete.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


The ancient Egyyt have only copper tool to cut one of the harder granite rock around which need iron tool to cut. Plus
the core of the great pydrin is make up of granite rock that weight 250 tons and goes up to 1/3 of the height of builting.
They have no crane to lift just weight. Plus the mark on the stone of the builting donot match any of the marks of the Granite site know to Egpyt.

Some of our historian donot want to say the Egpytian knew how to make than form of concete as it would mess up they
western timeline for discover's where the ancient roman where the first one to discover concrete.

That's a load of bunk, sorry. Davidovits' claims are wildly unfounded and demonstrate a sore lack of understanding of ancient contruction methods:

http://www.manchesteregypt.freeserve.co.uk/archives/concrete_pyramids.htm

[Hydro]

(offtopic) CharlesBHoff - Boris's article seems to disprove your point.

One other point. The interior blocks in the pyramids are granite, not concrete. Even today once can not make granite (quartz, plagioclase, orthoclase, biotite) from calcium carbonate (primary ingredient of concrete). Granite forms under high pressure and temperature, so your statement simply does not make sense and does not pass the 'Red Face Test'.

I'd recommend rechecking your facts. A lot of what is on 'science' TV is utter hogwash - view it with a skeptical eye and keep your BS detector on.

Hydro

[Jack_www]

If you guys want to talk about Egypt and their contruction methods why not take it to OT forum.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Hydro
(offtopic) CharlesBHoff - Boris's article seems to disprove your point.

One other point. The interior blocks in the pyramids are granite, not concrete. Even today once can not make granite (quartz, plagioclase, orthoclase, biotite) from calcium carbonate (primary ingredient of concrete). Granite forms under high pressure and temperature, so your statement simply does not make sense and does not pass the 'Red Face Test'.

I'd recommend rechecking your facts. A lot of what is on 'science' TV is utter hogwash - view it with a skeptical eye and keep your BS detector on.

Hydro

Why not crush the granite rock and the make than form of concrete from then which the french chemist said can be done today which make than better form of concrete than the limestone base concrete we used today.