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    Spies to defend ... how much is enough?

    While I do enjoy the expanded options with espionage in MOO3, I do not like the amount of damage and at what frequency it can occur.

    Let me elaborate. I was keeping a constant amount of spies (about 8) in my empire at all times. The thought was to use them to protect myself from spies. Now, as the Humans, I have a great bonus to Cunning, but that and the eight spies didn't do too much. I stopped playing last night right at the peak, where I was getting four to five spy attacks each turn. There are only five AI empires.

    My question is: just how many spies does one need to provide adequate defense against enemy infiltration? And does the type of spy matter, like needing political spies to protect leaders, scientific spies to guard your reseachers, etc.
    "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Safu the thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains - the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion."

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    How low do you have your oppressometer. The lower it is, the easier spies get into your empire.

    Asmodean
    Im not sure what Baruk Khazad is , but if they speak Judeo-Dwarvish, that would be "blessed are the dwarves" - lord of the mark

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    • #3
      I have about thirteen in reserve for my Evon empire. I still have other spies getting through. I think it depends on how big of a dog you are, too; I've been number one on the victory screen for a while now and the longer I remain the more system seats of government I lose.

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      • #4
        It also depends on the type of spy you have in the reserve.

        A Military spy won't stop an enemy Scientific spy. And so on and so forth.

        I try to keep 2 of each at all times.

        ACK!
        Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Asmodean
          How low do you have your oppressometer. The lower it is, the easier spies get into your empire.

          Asmodean
          I have my Oppressometer set to the high setting (within the brackets).
          "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Safu the thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains - the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion."

          - Piter De Vries, twisted Mentat

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          • #6
            Originally posted by heretk


            I have my Oppressometer set to the high setting (within the brackets).
            do what I had to do and bite the bullet and make the oppressometer even higher and lower the taxes too make the people happy. Remeber the brackets is where you won't have any problems with you population.

            I guess you don't complain when your spies do all the damage eh? just have to make the oppmeter higher.

            I could be wrong but any spy will help dosn't matter if it is military or scientific. its the oppmeter that really makes a difference.


            hope this helps

            Davor

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            • #7
              I always have a spy and a spare in each category but I rely on the O-meter yo-yo to do the cleaning.
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              • #8
                How much is enough? If you get a difinitive answer let me know. In the mean time I try to have two of each standing by, not sure if the type matters or not.

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                • #9
                  I thought you needed that type spy to defend against that type attack.
                  "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                  "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Vince278
                    I thought you needed that type spy to defend against that type attack.
                    I have read that any spy in the reserve will help in defence, only when they are specilized for military or scientific or whatever, that is what they are only good for.

                    I had a scientific spy for defence and the enemy was still attacking my scientific leaders and stealing my tech. only when i bumped up my oppmeter did it stop. lower the taxes to make people happy.

                    Davor

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                    • #11
                      The whole spy thing sucks in my opinion. The game would be great if we could just turn off that part of it at the start.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Yolky
                        I had a scientific spy for defence and the enemy was still attacking my scientific leaders and stealing my tech. only when i bumped up my oppmeter did it stop. lower the taxes to make people happy.
                        Davor
                        The O-meter does work better than counter-spies. I hate having to adjust the tax sliders everytime I adjust that up or down. Gets tiresome when it becomes about every 5 turns or so.
                        "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                        "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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                        • #13
                          Th best defence from spies I have found out till now:

                          Citizenship: Loyalty
                          Government: Despotism

                          Opressometer: 7

                          90-95% of the spies cannot get in and if once one gets in set your opresometer to 10 to catch him quickly and then return the opressometer back to 7.

                          And the leaders are always attacked by the political spies ;-)
                          Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Yolky

                            I had a scientific spy for defence and the enemy was still attacking my scientific leaders and stealing my tech. only when i bumped up my oppmeter did it stop. lower the taxes to make people happy.

                            Davor
                            I had 10 scientific spys and still lost 5 techs, only the oppressometer helped me.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tuberski
                              It also depends on the type of spy you have in the reserve.

                              A Military spy won't stop an enemy Scientific spy. And so on and so forth.

                              I try to keep 2 of each at all times.

                              ACK!
                              Hmmm... Spys in reserve actually DO something? I guess I didn't catch that from the "manual."
                              --==>>BobT>

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