To Be Here by February 28th

[H Tower]

actually, I agree with his points. he at least backs them up, which is more than could be said about your arguements

[Asmodean]

And just to add for The Maestro:

Generally we try to avoid talking like this to one another here at Apolyton.

Asmodean

[TCO]

These are the issues affecting whether IG releases another 4x after Moo3,

1. Inherent demand for 4x games (changing market tastes)
2. Acheivable quality of 4x games (acheiveable at a certain expense...ie are they easy or hard to make for the expense/return.)
3. Amount of business sense at IG and correct analysis of the situation.

I assume that IG is actually pretty decent at #3. And that Moo3 release will allow judgement of #1. The development process (with all the problems they had) will allow judgement of #2. Of course an individual data point doesn't make a trend. But it should shed some light. It will be taken in conjunction with the results from Civ3 (I assume the economics there have been favorable.)

*This is a longwinded way of saying that I agreed with and was more impressed by Corentor*

[Harry Seldon]

Just keep your fingers crossed that enough lights go on at IG for MOM2 to come through the pipeline.

[jaycayne]

mom2... who cares!

garbage.

give me moo 4!

[TCO]

Originally posted by Harry Seldon
Just keep your fingers crossed that enough lights go on at IG for MOM2 to come through the pipeline.

I think they are smart enough to make the game if the demand is there and it is makeable economically (see points 1,2, 3)

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asmodean
Let us just get one thing straight here. There is one heck of a difference between bug-free and free of crash bugs. The former is nigh on impossible. QS and IG are aiming for the latter - something which can be done.

Asmodean

My experience is you can't do that, due to the way Windows is designed, allowing unwanted interactions among components.

For example, there was (is?) a bug in the HP LaserJet 5N printer driver under Windows NT that, when used with GroupWise in a certain way, would cause a BSoD.

Or there is this free software game written in Java of all languages that hangs my Wintel box intermittently.

Even when it is theoretically possible to write software with zero defects, there is still no gaurantee that a certain combination of things won't crash your PC.

[TheMaestro]

There is also strong facts that show bugs just happen on their own, since a computer has to do so many computations at once, sometimes they get even a small hiccup that causes problems.

No game will ever be bug free, they happen -- because people are imperfect.

[Main_Brain]

I dunno I always thought the only real Competition to MoO3 would be Galactic Civilisations ?
teh other games mentioned are all different Markets than the 4X (5X ;=) ) Market?
Oppinions on this?

[Tolver]

wow. moo3 is still not out, glad i spent my money on heros 4, at least i have something to play, and not fustrated like everybody else here. with this amount of fustration moo3 will either be the best game ever made or go straight to the $5 sale bin, lol!

[RealTimestopper]

Originally posted by GP


I think they are smart enough to make the game if the demand is there and it is makeable economically (see points 1,2, 3)

I'll demand - but I doubt that'll help.

[Asmodean]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


My experience is you can't do that, due to the way Windows is designed, allowing unwanted interactions among components.

For example, there was (is?) a bug in the HP LaserJet 5N printer driver under Windows NT that, when used with GroupWise in a certain way, would cause a BSoD.

Or there is this free software game written in Java of all languages that hangs my Wintel box intermittently.

Even when it is theoretically possible to write software with zero defects, there is still no gaurantee that a certain combination of things won't crash your PC.

OK, UR...I see what you're getting at, so let me rephrase. It is possible to produce at game that is free of crash bugs, and tested with the most normal applications and programs on the market today. But of course they can't (and shouldn't) test how MoO interacts with every little obscure program ever written. In that case testing would take forever (and I do mean really forever - not like the forever that we're experiencing now ).

That said and done: I run WinXp Pro, and i have a host of different programs installed on my machine. Some running often, and some not. The only real crash I have ever experienced was the drivers for my Lexmark Z42 that caused my system to hang. So depending on OS, I don't consider the problem that huge (unless of course you're running Win98, the first edition, not the SE).

Asmodean

[Urban Ranger]

Nice bouncing smilie

As I said, since they can't test all the combinations, they should just test a small range, say maybe 80% of the bell curve. They can then wait for feedbacks on all sorts of esoteric combinations and can see if they can fix those also.

[H Tower]

IG-DE PUSHES BACK RELEASE
(14 January 2003, 19:23 | MoO3) Infogrames Germany has pushed their release date of Master of Orion III back to February 25th. This announcement falls closely in line with a press release disseminated by its American counterpart last Monday

well we can't exactly be suprised by this since they talked about it last monday.

but we're getting much closer to rantz commiting suicide

[Kc7mxo]

Now, is he going to have to commit Hari Kari or Seppuku? I always get them confused. . .