Moo3's Death by a Thousand Cuts

[Asmodean]

Re: Ship refitting and upgrading.

You can at least disband a ship, right?? I mean...given that it is impossible to refit a ship, you can ditch it...right??

Please say that it is so....please

Asmodean

[Comrade Tribune]

Well, you could always send it on a suicide mission. Which I would like to do with the current team at Quicksilver.

[Craig P.]

You can scrap ships and get back something like half their original cost.

[Xentax]

Yes, you can scrap ships, or use them as cannon fodder.

Refitting will be implemented in a patch.

Renaming systems was never a big deal for me personally, but I know some people really liked it.

I sort of miss experience levels for ships, but not as much as I would have expected.

[Harry Seldon]

There isn't experience levels for ships? Does that mean that ships fight as well as they ever will right out of the gate? One of my biggest gripes against the loss of refitting was losing the exp. If the ships don't use exp., then the need for refitting, at least from my perspective, is irrelevant.

[Comrade Tribune]

That is, all ship crews have the same quality, regardless if they are Veterans of five wars, or freshly drafted from the merchant marine?

Heh, Moo3 is quickly moving toward the 'Most Idiotic Game of 2003' award; if it comes out in 2003, that is.

[raghar]

It's so bad. Moo3 was supposed to be much more complex than is now. I hope it was not for more "fun". I have seen so much things that was chnged to be supposedly so much fun and ended in total bul****.

CT If there would be most idiotic product this year it could be something from Micro$oft. Then again what about tie? Two or more? This year could be RICH.

[TheMaestro]

EXP for ships is uber-important. Think about it --

Ships that have been fighting for three years with one crew...are more superb than brand new ships with a brand new crew with no battle experience.

[booklord]

EXP for ships is uber-important. Think about it --
Ships that have been fighting for three years with one crew...are more superb than brand new ships with a brand new crew with no battle experience.

Except for a few things.

1) In the above example what if you're on a ship that was assigned to back-line defense and never saw combat?

2) Given that ship losses appear to be commonplace in Moo3 wouldn't it make sense to spread experienced crews from the older ships to the newer ships then replace them with new recruits to learn from the experienced officers who remained on the older ship?

3) How long is each turn anyway in terms of years? How long do ship crews serve in your fleet before retiring?

[kalbear]

In real naval terms, crews get changed around all the time, in war or peace time. People get promoted and moved, go out of the army, that sort of thing. The competency of the crew is not nearly as important as it used to be; the average level of complexity is important, but the specific level of any crewmember isn't that big a deal.

It wasn't that special a deal in Moo2 either. I'm certainly not going to miss it all that much.

[Organ001]

I think experience was important in MOO2, it was one of the reasons i chose the warload trait. Ultra-elite status allowed me to build larger ships that still had a decent chance of not being hit my enemy fire.
However, I think MOO3 will be fine without experience... I still want the abilty to upgrade ship.
Knowing me, I'll probably get stuck defending my homeworld with an obsolete fleet b/c i forgot to build new ships.

[Comrade Tribune]

Ok, as you probably know, Austria is a mountainous country with no access to any sea. We were never a naval empire, have no history of seafaring and our only Battleship ever was sunk in port, without having taken part in any action.

I am sure none of you Americans would object stuffing your navy with Austrian crews?

[TCO]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
Ok, as you probably know, Austria is a mountainous country with no access to any sea. We were never a naval empire, have no history of seafaring and our only Battleship ever was sunk in port, without having taken part in any action.

I am sure none of you Americans would object stuffing your navy with Austrian crews?

You'll never get a security clearance if you are a communist. That makes you unsuitable for a Navy job.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by GP
You'll never get a security clearance if you are a communist. That makes you unsuitable for a Navy job.

Who says I would apply? But what about reactionary Austrians? I would even allow you to choose those who can swim! Deal?

[campfreddie]

The random post of the day award goes to CT

It's a shame it was cut but I don't think that experience is really added much to the game.

Well at least in Austria you're not sending your flagship carrier to take part in gulf operations - without bothering to load the fighters. Bet Saddams quaking in his boots about the fearsome HMS Ark Royal. It's got 100 marines on board!