Will there be something like Telepathy again?

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Harel
Wrong. Israel doesn't have any enemies that understandbly hate her. Israel has enemies that unreasonably hate her. Big difference.

Don't be deluded to think that Austria isn't hated with the same passion, being part of the west, as Israel by the Islamic dictatorships.

Israel isn´t part of the West. The West is the family of European Nations, to which Israel doesn´t belong. The sharper Arabs know this just as well as I, so what they want from the West is to stick to its own affairs, not meddle with their governments, and stop support to Israel, which is all reasonable.

Believe me, I am quite sure that Arabs have absolutely nothing against Western people (and peoples) that agree with them on these issues.

[Straybow]

I should not expect you to be an expert at English grammar, but you have misread the dependent clauses in Harel's last sentence. I doubt you can see past your own obsessions to understand what he was saying… probably very much like the effect a widespread but low imact telepathic control might have.

Imagine that, CT, you've almost persuaded me to change my position on whether there should be telepathy in a game of this sort!

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Straybow I should not expect you to be an expert at English grammar, but you have misread the dependent clauses in Harel's last sentence.

Nonsense. He clearly implies that the Arab masses hate 'the West', that Israel is part of the West and that therefore we should make common cause with Israel. All wrong. The Arabs hate the West only insofar we interfere with their business, which is understandable. Stop trying to order the Arabs around, let them manage their own countries as they see fit, drop Israel, and we will have no problems with any Arab, Muslim or non-Muslim. Btw, what has Israel ever done for us?

[Straybow]

No, he says that Austria is part of the West, and the West is hated with a passion comparable to their hatred for Israel.

You see, it's only that Israel is physically "in the way" of controlling "their" lands, whereas the West (including Austria) is only "in the way" as a matter of diplomatic policy. The militants would hate you just as much if your politics got "in the way" somehow. As it is, they only hate you a little because you are a useful dupe.

The majority of people just don't care enough to think or act on any of it. If there were some kind of telepathy there would be a lot more useful dupes. And a lot fewer people who think about it and realize that terrorism is unacceptable, period, even when it isn't in your back yard or you in the cross-hairs.

[Comrade Tribune]

The Arabs don´t hate the West. They would ignore us just as much as we should ignore them. Keep out of the Middle East, and keep the Middle East out of you. Simple, really.

As to terrorism: Yes, I am against it, and especially against the state terrorism of Israel and the USA. Assassinating people is terrorism. Bombing countries without a DoW is terrorism. Obviously.

[vmxa1]

I think that is not that simple. First they believe that non believers are infidels and need to be dead.
Most countries can stay out of distant counries, but the largest ones can not. They have dealing all over the world and will act to protect them, be it right or wrong. It is human nature.
In the end the world will not be able to ignore fundamental Muslim. They will not let us. They will not coexist with others peacefully.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by vmxa1
First they believe that non believers are infidels and need to be dead.

Do you really think they sat down around the campfire and said: 'Americans are non-believers. They are too immoral [correct assessment, btw ] and they have too many high towers. Let´s blow a few up!' ?

If you don´t leave them alone, you have only yourselves to blame. And besides: Why should I, as an Austrian, sympathize with American oil interests or Israeli craziness? All I say is: There is no reason in the world why Arabs will attack Austria, as long as we do as little as possible to support Bush/Sharon´s war.

And, btw: If there DO happen any acts of terror against Europe, I will believe the CIA did it, certainly NOT any Arabs, unless otherwise proven.

[Harry Seldon]

Why would they attack Austria when they use it as a waypoint to the 'West'. I wouldn't shoot my cow as long as it was giving me milk.

[vmxa1]

It is not weither I think that or not. Their leaders have said it. Are you not following their statements at all?
Is there some reason, I should not believe them when they say that? I can not read minds, but I do understand what they say and have seen their actions.
Personally I would prefer to get out of all countries, but that is not going to happen.
As to non believer, if you mean in Allah, you are correct. If you mean God, you are ill informed again. The country has one of the higher church attendence around. More than 70% believe in god (I am not one of them).

[vmxa1]

BTW, all non Muslims are infidels, not just USA. In case you had not noticed it they are attacking people in the Manila, India and many other places. The US is just the most visible, not even the largest. Russia and China are seeing it as well.

[Straybow]

Harel:
…as Israel by the Islamic dictatorships [emphasis added]
Straybow:
…the West is hated with a passion comparable to their [dictatorships categorized by Harel] hatred for Israel

Neither of us said that "Arab masses" (whoever that means) hated Isreal or the West. Classic example of reading what you want to read, instead of what your opponents have actually written. This is another way that some kind of broad effect telepathy could work—by dumbing down all rational thought into irrational reaction.

[Satyre]

Originally posted by Xentax
I don't see how a few dozen or hundred telepaths instantly and totally brainwashing thousands or millions of alien minds is "plausible".

The art of using a few hundred people to totally brainwash thousands or millions of other minds is called mass media.

....Does convincing a nation to allow a man to become president who was not legally voted into office count as brainwashing?

:-) Heh

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by vmxa1
It is not weither I think that or not. Their leaders have said it. Are you not following their statements at all?
Is there some reason, I should not believe them when they say that?

When have the Arab leaders ever said they are going to attack Austria?

You seem to overlook that I don´t care about them attacking the United States; particularly when I understand why they are doing that.

[vmxa1]

They have stated that they it is their duty to kill non believers. Last I know that includes most of Austria. Obviously that is a task that is beyond their capabilities, but they are plenty able to kill people all over the world from time to time and have been doing so for some time.
They managed to do it in Germany, so I do not see any difficulties with getting some damage in Austria do you?
The point is they see infidels as non human and intend to not accept them. Weither they ever get to me or to you is not for me to say. Only that history has show that you can not placate evil. I trust you see killing people becasue they do not follow your religion is evil. If not them what can be said. So getting out is not the real issue and never was.

[Skyjack666]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Do you really think they sat down around the campfire and said: 'Americans are non-believers. They are too immoral [correct assessment, btw ]

So, how are you MORE moral than Americans? I've seen Austrian pornography...yeeeech!

Why should I, as an Austrian, sympathize with American oil interests or Israeli craziness?

You like jack boots? Be glad you aren't compelled to wear them. Let's not forget deathcamps.

All I say is: There is no reason in the world why Arabs will attack Austria, as long as we do as little as possible to support Bush/Sharon´s war.

Do you really believe that if 'neutral' Austria would not eventually be a target. The fact that you are an Infidel makes you a target, genius.

You seem to overlook that I don´t care about them attacking the United States; particularly when I understand why they are doing that.

Trust me, when bad stuff happens to 'neutral' Austria, no one cares either.

Don't forget, the US gives more money to the worlds' poor people than most other countres COMBINED, even ex-collaborators and 'neutral' countries who like to pretend that if they hide no one will find them.

If drug dealers live in your neighborhood and they are only robbing/killing the 'rich' people, would you just think, "Uhhhh, if I do as little as possible to help the police they won't hurt me."...? Oh, wait, of course YOU would.