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How would you have patched MOO2?
This thread is for fun---distraction until MOO3. The question is, If there was a major new patch for MOO2, what would it have done?
First I'd start with the race picks. I added 7 new ones off the top of my head at the bottom.
1. DEMOCRACY: I would have added the fact that Declaring War would lower morale empire-wide by 10%. Democracies fight great when they are attacked or declared war on, but they truly experience uprest when they start wars.
2. UNIFICATION: Way too many people used this pick because it was just so good. Such a government should arouse suspicion with Democracies and Feudals (-25% diplomacy with these governments).
3. LOW-G WORLD: This was an absolute bargain pick. Change cost to -4. Also, a Low-G race should experience x2 penalties on High-G worlds.
4. HIGH-G WORLD: Cost way too much. I'd change to 4 picks.
5. AQUATIC: Desert, Arid, Barren, Radiated, and Toxic worlds should offer more negative modifiers to an Aquatic race. Change to 4 picks.
6. SUBTERRANEAN: I always thought having x2 population size was too much simply because you lived underground. I would have made the pop max 66% better, instead of 100% better, and made the pick worth 5.
7. CYBERNETIC: This pick was messed up. The drain on industrial production was too much. I would have totally revamped Cybernetic and turned the Meklars back into a revised of what they were in MOO1.
8. LITHOVORE: Turn Lithovore sort of into MOO2's Cybernetic in that Lithovores eat a small amount of their industrial output. Just a bit mind you. Pick falls to 8.
10. REPULSIVE: This was a very irritating pick. No diplomacy at all?! Totally change this by giving Repulsives -50 or -60 rolls on all normal diplomatic actions. Maybe they can only conduct diplomacy once every 6 turns with each respective race.
11. CREATIVE: I had the original solution for this stupid pick, but SImtex ignored me years ago! Hehe. Instead of getting all 3 techs in a group, the Creative should get 2 of the 3. Then the pick should go back to 6 in cost.
12. TELEPATHIC: Another unrealistic pick. A cruiser of Telepaths could instantly take over a planet? Dumb. Instead, the Telepaths could cause rebels on a planet, like a conquered planet in revolt. Every cumulative ship size (1 for frigate, 2 for destroyer) orbiting the planet would be added together and exert telepathic disruption causing loss of morale and potentially rebellion. Maybe the attack could turn loyal colonists into captured ones (those yellow handcuffed guys that you have to assimilate all over again).
13. OMNISCIENT: Knowing everything for 3 picks? Kinda takes the fun out of things. I would have made the range of omniscience to 10 parsecs, and called the pick PRESCIENCE.
14. TRANSDIMENSIONAL: What a lame ability for 5 picks! I would have added that TRANSers would be immune to various random events like the Hyperspace Beast and Space-Time Anomaly. Plus they'd be immune to techs like Phasors, Warp Dissipaters, and Warp Interdictors.
15. WARLORD: Seeing that the race is totally focused when fighting, I'd give them +5% morale while at war, and -5% when not. Just a minor detail, but cool.
16. FEUDAL: I disliked Feudal because of the steep research penalty, even though it's not a bad penalty pick. I'd tone down the penalty from -50% to -33%. To compensate, I'd make a Feudal empire more turbulent. For every hull size of ship that is lost in combat (meaning nobles have been killed), there is 1% that a colony is hit by insurrection. For instance, a fleet of 18 hull sizes is destroyed; there is an 18% chance a planet will riot, fight its marines and, if it wins, declare independence or amalgamate with another empire.
Okay, now what other picks would you have added? How about:
17. DEVELOPED SYSTEM (3 picks). Player starts with 2 of his solar system's planets freshly colonized.
18. RECOVERING HOMEWORLD (-2 picks). Player begins the game after a brutal war on his homeworld. Starts with 1/2 of the normal colonists, which would be 4, I believe.
19. ADVANCED (3 picks). Player starts the game with one free tech from every group from the bottom of the techtree. Choose away. Your research starts on the 2nd tier.
20. POLLUTED HOMEWORLD (-2 picks). Industrial accidents and mismanagement have spiralled out of control and the player's homeworld is either Tundra or Desert, 10 max in size. Mutally Exclusive with Tolerance and maybe others.
21. PERIPHERY HOMEWORLD (1 pick). Player starts at the edge or corner of the starmap, slightly increasing chances for unimpeded expansion.
22. CENTER HOMEWORLD (-1 picks). Player starts somewhere in the middle of the starmap. This slightly limits the chances for large-scale expansion since he will butt up with so many other races, thus possibly being ending up in a compromising strategic position.
23. PACIFIST (-3 picks). A new government type. The race's government is completely designed to minimize conflict. Taxes can never be raised beyond 10%. They cannot declare war. While defending themselves in war, no matter what, their morale is reduced by 20% until peace is declared. They cannot bomb a planet, nor commit genocide. Mutally exclusive with Warlord and Repulsive.
- Sollos
I'll add more later. SO many things could have been done to improve this game!
This thread is for fun---distraction until MOO3. The question is, If there was a major new patch for MOO2, what would it have done?
First I'd start with the race picks. I added 7 new ones off the top of my head at the bottom.
1. DEMOCRACY: I would have added the fact that Declaring War would lower morale empire-wide by 10%. Democracies fight great when they are attacked or declared war on, but they truly experience uprest when they start wars.
2. UNIFICATION: Way too many people used this pick because it was just so good. Such a government should arouse suspicion with Democracies and Feudals (-25% diplomacy with these governments).
3. LOW-G WORLD: This was an absolute bargain pick. Change cost to -4. Also, a Low-G race should experience x2 penalties on High-G worlds.
4. HIGH-G WORLD: Cost way too much. I'd change to 4 picks.
5. AQUATIC: Desert, Arid, Barren, Radiated, and Toxic worlds should offer more negative modifiers to an Aquatic race. Change to 4 picks.
6. SUBTERRANEAN: I always thought having x2 population size was too much simply because you lived underground. I would have made the pop max 66% better, instead of 100% better, and made the pick worth 5.
7. CYBERNETIC: This pick was messed up. The drain on industrial production was too much. I would have totally revamped Cybernetic and turned the Meklars back into a revised of what they were in MOO1.
8. LITHOVORE: Turn Lithovore sort of into MOO2's Cybernetic in that Lithovores eat a small amount of their industrial output. Just a bit mind you. Pick falls to 8.
10. REPULSIVE: This was a very irritating pick. No diplomacy at all?! Totally change this by giving Repulsives -50 or -60 rolls on all normal diplomatic actions. Maybe they can only conduct diplomacy once every 6 turns with each respective race.
11. CREATIVE: I had the original solution for this stupid pick, but SImtex ignored me years ago! Hehe. Instead of getting all 3 techs in a group, the Creative should get 2 of the 3. Then the pick should go back to 6 in cost.
12. TELEPATHIC: Another unrealistic pick. A cruiser of Telepaths could instantly take over a planet? Dumb. Instead, the Telepaths could cause rebels on a planet, like a conquered planet in revolt. Every cumulative ship size (1 for frigate, 2 for destroyer) orbiting the planet would be added together and exert telepathic disruption causing loss of morale and potentially rebellion. Maybe the attack could turn loyal colonists into captured ones (those yellow handcuffed guys that you have to assimilate all over again).
13. OMNISCIENT: Knowing everything for 3 picks? Kinda takes the fun out of things. I would have made the range of omniscience to 10 parsecs, and called the pick PRESCIENCE.
14. TRANSDIMENSIONAL: What a lame ability for 5 picks! I would have added that TRANSers would be immune to various random events like the Hyperspace Beast and Space-Time Anomaly. Plus they'd be immune to techs like Phasors, Warp Dissipaters, and Warp Interdictors.
15. WARLORD: Seeing that the race is totally focused when fighting, I'd give them +5% morale while at war, and -5% when not. Just a minor detail, but cool.
16. FEUDAL: I disliked Feudal because of the steep research penalty, even though it's not a bad penalty pick. I'd tone down the penalty from -50% to -33%. To compensate, I'd make a Feudal empire more turbulent. For every hull size of ship that is lost in combat (meaning nobles have been killed), there is 1% that a colony is hit by insurrection. For instance, a fleet of 18 hull sizes is destroyed; there is an 18% chance a planet will riot, fight its marines and, if it wins, declare independence or amalgamate with another empire.
Okay, now what other picks would you have added? How about:
17. DEVELOPED SYSTEM (3 picks). Player starts with 2 of his solar system's planets freshly colonized.
18. RECOVERING HOMEWORLD (-2 picks). Player begins the game after a brutal war on his homeworld. Starts with 1/2 of the normal colonists, which would be 4, I believe.
19. ADVANCED (3 picks). Player starts the game with one free tech from every group from the bottom of the techtree. Choose away. Your research starts on the 2nd tier.
20. POLLUTED HOMEWORLD (-2 picks). Industrial accidents and mismanagement have spiralled out of control and the player's homeworld is either Tundra or Desert, 10 max in size. Mutally Exclusive with Tolerance and maybe others.
21. PERIPHERY HOMEWORLD (1 pick). Player starts at the edge or corner of the starmap, slightly increasing chances for unimpeded expansion.
22. CENTER HOMEWORLD (-1 picks). Player starts somewhere in the middle of the starmap. This slightly limits the chances for large-scale expansion since he will butt up with so many other races, thus possibly being ending up in a compromising strategic position.
23. PACIFIST (-3 picks). A new government type. The race's government is completely designed to minimize conflict. Taxes can never be raised beyond 10%. They cannot declare war. While defending themselves in war, no matter what, their morale is reduced by 20% until peace is declared. They cannot bomb a planet, nor commit genocide. Mutally exclusive with Warlord and Repulsive.
- Sollos
I'll add more later. SO many things could have been done to improve this game!
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