Demand Terraforming!! Ai Bug????

[Forrest Gimp]

HAS ANYONE ELSE CONFIRMED THIS???

I have v1.31 and only play impossible. But every time i meet another civ, i immediately check to see if they have terraforming, (i.e. from Chugg the administrator, who appears in the early game.). AND EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY GAVE IT TO ME.

Now they may have declared war on me 5 turns later, but they always ended up giving me whats worth 1500 rp for nothing.

And since i play aquatic, there's my Gaia transformation (woo -hoo!)



Plz try this and confirm it 4 yourself.

I tried doing the same thing with autolab, but alas they weren't generous

[vmxa1]

What do you mean by give it to you? I have never had any AI give me anything on any difficulty setting or patch level.

[Forrest Gimp]

Demand terraforming!!

Oops.. i thought the title was self-explanatory. What i mean is, when u click on th races button on the galaxy map, you then click on the each particular race u meet in the game. The choices given are: propose treaty, declare war, offer gift, etc. You then click on the word "demand" and you can then demand a system or technology. More than half the time you do this they will probably declare war on you, but I noticed that EVERY SINGLE TIME I DEMANDED TERRAFORMING, they gave it to me.

I was wondering if anyone else noticed this.

[vmxa1]

Ok, yeah I like to demand 5% at first and then later a system. I guess I thought you meant spontaniously they gave you something. They give stuff for bribes to stop wars or prevent them. I was confused with Starships were you will have AI give stuff unsolicited.

[Forrest Gimp]

Just for the record, and to help out other players I noticed that you can usually get away with demanding planetary supercomputer, cloning center, battlestation, and fighter garrison. With these its about 60/40 they wont declare war on you.

[AIL]

That declares why all the AI's always have it! They know the same thing like you and demand it from the one who gets it via the Leader...

[Clear Skies]

I've noticed AIs getting dimensional portals at stupidly early points in the game as well. It's very odd.
Has anyone ever rescued/hired the planetary ecologist leader who looks like a fat slug? He brings terraforming with him, and if you do hire him early in the game he'll give you a big boost - but he completely flours up any techsharing, because whatever tech you ask for, the AI will demand terraforming in exchange. Grr.

[moomin]

SMAC: Give it to them. Trade that forming around for as much as you can get. Build ships while they waste prod forming their planets and take them over when they're done.

I love trading terraforming. In fact I always give it away if I can't trade it.

[vmxa1]

I have gotten him, but on hard level I do not trade. I just go to war. At impossible level, then I will trade, no weapons or defenses though, unless it is obsolete.

[moomin]

Trade away your guns too! It's not as if the AI can build ships worth spit anyway. The only thing you should keep to yourself are spying techs, Autolab (if gotten very early) and planetary shileds/ground defenses. All else is useless to the AI, because they can't really us it anyway. Oh yeah, avoid trading good computers too.

[vmxa1]

yeah, basically anything osolete is a possible canidate. I just don't bother.

[Orcus]

If I get terraforming, I trade it to everyone I can talk to, immediately. I'll even trade it for Reinforced Hull or ridiculous crap like that. I'll take anything they have for it, since if I don't trade it to everyone all at once, they'll trade it to each other anyway. Might as well be me that profits by it.

Why give them terraforming? As mentioned by Moom, why the hell not? They'll do all the work for you! By the time they've upgraded that tundra iceball into a place worth calling "home", my troops are arriving to dispute that.

[Admiral]

I play impossible, and it never seems that the AI ever uses terraforming. And, again on impossible, i can usually demand any one tech from a race, and if i'm on good terms with them, any two. In a recent game, i was trying to get someone to declare war on me, and i kept demanding systems, and they gave them to me. In the end, i just had to use the old fashioned declare option, must to my disgrace (i'm a pacifist, really).

[vmxa1]

Demanding things from the AI is almost unfair. I played tons of gmes on impossible at all map sizes. By the time you are able to demand, the game as turn to where you have the upper hand anyway. Stealing from the AI is fair game, but demanding is too easy.

[Admiral]

the funny thing is, i was second from the bottom on the tech tree. The AI had the capability to send one of their 3x amount of command points available fleets at any time.