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    I recently got board with Birth of the Federation and Shogun and fired up a Moo3 game. It was a typical configuration for me: modified gas bags, with good mining and manufacturing, reduced terraforming and diplomacy, and average everything else. As usual, I chose a despotic government (to reduce spies due to high oppressometer tolerance). Research was 70% physical, 30% bio (to bump mining and manufacturing, then food) until about level 12 or so physical.

    I found I was having fun. I was playing with the mod that makes the diplomatic messages intelligible, so diplomacy is worthwhile. The Senate was lively, with the Evil Meklar being kicked out early and the other Meklar suitably humbled and quiescent. Being in near the hub of a 3-armed huge galaxy available space quickly filled up, but that was OK since I had a NA treaty with almost everyone (lizards, sneaks (Evon), gas bags, and fishies). Slowly I gained contact with a few races not in the Senate.

    Eventually I met the hated Ithkul, of course. They are busy beating the snot out of the AI (who are in between him and me). My objective now is to get a planet near them so they can have diplomatic relations, then have them declare war on me. That way my fleets of judgement will start pushing them back, and I can get lots of brownie points from the AI for fighting their enemy.

    I have a decent lead in Planets, so my population will jump nicely since I like big planets. There’s not much room for expansion, though. Three pathways to the rest of the galaxy are blocked by Guardians.

    My comments after a respite:

    * Development plans seem useless. It’s better to build out a planet’s DEAs, then let the AI do its thing
    * The revised diplomacy text mod makes the game MUCH more interesting. I’m shocked that Moo3 was released with the unintelligible gibberish the AI’s spouted.
    * The game is still very slow, with real fleets not showing up for a very long time. This can get tedious between the time of staking out territory (which is a race, as in all empire games) and when real fleets are running around
    * Building ships is fun, and I do like the fleet combat model. Most people don’t, I know
    * The tech tree is filled with too much junk and needs to be pruned. I think the tech tree needs to look more like the Social and Economics area, with blank areas and fewer techs that actually mean something. Everything else is so much clutter.
    * I LOVE the Ithkul as Bad Guys. They add so much flavor to the game for me. They are like the Believers or Hive in SMAC.

    Moo3 will remain on my hard drive, but will probably only be fired up occasionally. Its mechanics are still overly ornate/complicated, making competitors (like BotF and SMAC) more interesting for games that won’t take days. Too bad there aren't more turn based games out there (I intensely dislike RT games).

    Just a few thoughts.

    Hydro

  • #2
    Good to see someone still playing MOO3 (and BotF!).
    "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
    2004 Presidential Candidate
    2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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    • #3
      Lots of TBS games around:

      Homm2/3/4
      Disciples
      Age Of Wonders
      Moo1/2
      Stars
      Space Empires III/IV
      Warlords3/4

      Yeah I left off GalCiv on purpose, but it is not bad.

      Oh, I forgot CivIII.

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      • #4
        I highly recommend Space Empires IV Gold.
        "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
        "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
        2004 Presidential Candidate
        2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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        • #5
          I have SE4 gold, and it is kind of fun. The customization is fun, but it is a cakewalk. I haven't played in a while, so maybe I'll fire it up after I get Moo3 out of my system.

          Stars! is pretty ancient, isn't it? I have a friend how has it, and the manual looks like it is DOS based and has an almost DOS interface. I always thought that SE and MOO were the stepchilderen of Stars!

          I don't like Gal Civ. The early game is a colony pod race, and the interface unpleasant. For me the tech tree is even more obscure than Moo. I don't like their primative ship construction and combat system. I prefer Moo3.

          All the feedback I got from CivIII could be summarized as "Run Away Screaming!" Even Vel (of SMAC fame) game to dislike it because it is linear, and that was enough for me. I prefer a flawed by interesting game like SMAC or Moo2/3.

          I'm not familiar with the other games you mentioned. Are they SF or fantasy?

          Thanks for the input!

          Hydro

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          • #6
            I would love to play Space Empires IV

            ... over here in the UK but you can only buy it online and I just don't trust the Net when it comes to online buying. Too many nasty worms and viruses out there which can rifle through your computer for your credit card details even when you try to keep your protection up to date.

            As for GalCiv.... **&&&!!!!!!! I wonder if that will get past the site administrator? You can only buy the expansion pack online! I would NEVER have bought it in the shops if had known that. I am generally a pacific kind of guy, which is what probably makes me a bad space emperor, but I feel murderous thoughts about GalCiv's distributors!

            Bottom line, guys, is that you take your credit in your hands if you make one single purchase online. That is putting an awful lot of faith in your firewall and anti-viral programs to prevent your credit card number from being filched! I have enough worries when I am lying awake in bed at night without adding to them!

            Live long and prosper.

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            • #7
              I believe you should be able to purchase it on CD then download the updates.
              "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
              "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
              2004 Presidential Candidate
              2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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              • #8
                On the contrary: MOO.
                Hello, you've reached Majestic-12 Headquarters.
                We are away, or unwilling to answer the phone at the moment, so please hold while we trace your call.
                Thanks for calling!

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                • #9
                  You might also swing by the Call to Power 2 forum. They've got the Source Code and are bringing it inline with the latest patch, then they'll start development of new features. I really prefer CtP2 to Civ3, but I have to admit I don't have Conquests yet.
                  Any flames in this message are solely in the mind of the reader.

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                  • #10
                    Go for it.
                    "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                    2004 Presidential Candidate
                    2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                    • #11
                      I have played all the games mentioned above. I gave up on MOO3 awile back, and MOO2 just seems too primitive now.
                      I still love playing an occasional game of SMAC and now I really enjoy SEIV gold. I downloaded better looking default race portraits and great looking ShipSets and it's a real blast to play..

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                      • #12
                        P.S. It's a shame there wasn't a Forum set up here foe Space Empires 4. As its fun and everything in it is so VERY modable

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                        • #13
                          I would love to play Space Empires but it is only available on the Net and I just won't buy anything on the Net. Too unsafe. There are all sorts of viruses being evolved out there to hoover up your credit card details, no matter how up to date your defences are!

                          I shall say in defence of MOO3 that properly MODded, and my game is heavily MODded, it is a much better game than originally released and that is why I stick with it. Also, it's sophistication of colony development is the best of any of the space strategy games, I think. In short, thanks to the MODders, God bless 'em, it has turned from a half-finished game into a nearly finished classic! More power to them!

                          Live long and prosper.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ACEofHeart
                            P.S. It's a shame there wasn't a Forum set up here foe Space Empires 4. As its fun and everything in it is so VERY modable
                            I'm playing a self-modded game right now. Space Empires 4 Gold is so awesome. I'd like to see how Space Empires 5 is developing but the release is probably about a year away.
                            "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                            "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                            2004 Presidential Candidate
                            2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                            • #15
                              Bwaaaa! You are all talking of Space Empires IV Gold and I can't get it except online and I just won't hazard buying things online! Too many worms and viruses around to snap your credit card details. Bwaaaa!

                              As an all-round space strategy game, I think BOTF one of the very best. I am currently looking for this mythical map extension for the game, its one fault is too small a map, but so far no luck. Some people in the Armada forum say a MOD is out there somewhere and others say it is impossible!

                              Live long and prosper.

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