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[Lazerus]

.... im still awaiting my first AI to surrender after going through all difficulty levels beating them to a pulp, a few have given me 5% tribute when i've demaded it but thats mainly because i moved a large fleet to their home system and was going to kill them next turn.

[vmxa1]

I am sorry I was not clear on that point. They do not surrender to you, but rather to other AI's.
You see less of it at impossible and more at Hard.
If they do not give you system that you demand, you just are not percieved as that strong ot you ask for system that they will never give you.
I will often make my third BB after a refit and find a system with 1 planet that is not very well developed and demand it and they will cough it up.
I want it to increase my range and to make myself seem stronger to the AI.

[Whoha]

people have said in the mooniac faq that if another race is genociding them, and you are charasmatic, that the race that is being wiped out will surrender to you. I can't recall a race surrendering to me in impossible(and it really pisses me off when a lesser race surrenders to one of the powerful ai that I have to leave alone for the time being )

[vmxa1]

I can not recall the AI surrendering to me at any level and I could not tell you how many hundreds of games I have played. 99% at either hard or impossible.
If it ever did happen, I have forgotten it.

[Lazerus]

How useful is the phasing cloak as compared to class X shields ?
Also i remember somebody talking about the 'phasing cloak cheese' whats the deal with this ?

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Lazerus
How useful is the phasing cloak as compared to class X shields ?
Also i remember somebody talking about the 'phasing cloak cheese' whats the deal with this ?

If you use the cloak and the Time Warp properly you can prevnt the AI from getting in a turn and eventually wipe out the fleet.
I do not use either of these devices. It can be a laugh, but there is no real need.

In each round,
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You start enemy start

Turn 1: you Turn 1: enemy
Turn 2: enemy Turn 2: you
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Turn 3: you Turn 3: you
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go back to turn 1 go back to turn 1
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After both sides have taken a turn, the final turn (3rd turn) goes to the ships that have a time warp facilitator on. Know your turns so that you can shut off all your un-used weapons and allow the ship to recloak.

If you are attacking first, SKIP THE TURN!!! Let the enemy go first. If the ultimate ship is the only ship standing up against the enemy, then when you skip your turn, the enemy will have nothing to shoot at because you have NOT decloaked yet. THEN you attack, and the Phasing Cloak and T.W.F combo will work. And if the enemy attacks first, then all is well, as long as your ships in that fight are cloaked.

If you do it right, you can sustain up to 10 rounds undiscovered, 10 turns to do whatever you want. Unless the enemy runs before they're all destroyed.

[Whoha]

I think something is wrong with the phasing cloak, when I use it with the twf it never turns down to a normal cloak(and i've had 1 battleship with 2 death rays and the twf/phase cloak combo vs 100 ships,yea that takes a little longer then 10 turns...), but when ive seen the ai use it alone it seems to work as advertised.

Also, how does the history graph for ships work, total ship cost?(another embarrassing situation, I was doing the junk race, -1/2 food/-1 prod/-1 sci/cyb/poor hw, on tutor small galaxy, and I had 3 battleships that were empty except for scout labs for the research bonus, and the Antarans kept raiding me so much,despite the fact that the ai had 8 systems to my 4 then 3 then 2 then 1,that I lost that game ).

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Whoha
I think something is wrong with the phasing cloak, when I use it with the twf it never turns down to a normal cloak(and i've had 1 battleship with 2 death rays and the twf/phase cloak combo vs 100 ships,yea that takes a little longer then 10 turns...), but when ive seen the ai use it alone it seems to work as advertised.

Here is the change for 1.3 or higher:

Extra combat turns given by the Time Warp Facilitator will be given
after the opponent has taken a turn.

1st player: normal turn
2nd player: normal turn
1st player: extra turn
2nd player: extra turn

I am not sure what you mean by not become a normal cloak. A cloaked ship has 20% chance to be hit by BEAMS. Missiles ignore the cloak. The Phased Cloak last up to ten turns and then is turn off. So what happened that refutes that?

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Whoha

Also, how does the history graph for ships work, total ship cost?(another embarrassing situation, I was doing the junk race, -1/2 food/-1 prod/-1 sci/cyb/poor hw, on tutor small galaxy, and I had 3 battleships that were empty except for scout labs for the research bonus, and the Antarans kept raiding me so much,despite the fact that the ai had 8 systems to my 4 then 3 then 2 then 1,that I lost that game ).

When you say history graph for ships what are you looking at? I don't have the game availbe on this machine. It seems it no longer works on my XP PRO. I suspect it is due to the video card and drivers. I can get it to come up using the DOS version, but when I stop my desktop is covered in some wierd pattern.
I am unable to dial down to 640x480, the lowest the dispaly settign will go is 800.
Moo2 needs 256 color and 640.
Lucky I have a P4 1.7 GH backup with ME, but it has no Web access.

[Whoha]

erm, the phase cloak goes down to a normal cloak after 10 turns doesn't it(thats what it says in the description)? well anyway it stays on and as a phasing cloak whenever I pair it with the twf.

and info button,history graph,fleet. From the graph it gives a fairly large number, that looks like total cost.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Whoha
erm, the phase cloak goes down to a normal cloak after 10 turns doesn't it(thats what it says in the description)? well anyway it stays on and as a phasing cloak whenever I pair it with the twf.

and info button,history graph,fleet. From the graph it gives a fairly large number, that looks like total cost.

The Phase Cloak will stop the AI from detecting you for up to ten turns. Once you uncloak or the 10 turns passes, it will not stop them from seeing you. So if you uncloak and shoot and then recloak, it should work as it did efore. That is no one can detect you for up to 10 turns. What is happening that makes you thing it is a problem?
Ah that thing. I never paid any attention to it and have no doc, so anything I said would be a guess.
Maybe I will fire up the game tomorrow and see if it makes any sense.

[Whoha]

no, i mean that I have had battles that have lasted far longer then 10 turns, and the phasing cloak has not failed/expired/whatever (with the twf/phase cloak combo), so my ships remained undetected.

[vmxa1]

Hum, post a save for that. I can't say I have hear of the problem.

[vmxa1]

BTW I looked at the Hist graph a bit today. It is just whacking and I do not understand it.
My test was me and 1 other. Start at normal to get 2 scouts and colony.
Used colony and built a friegher and nothing else.
The AI made 2 courier sized ships and then 2 transports.
The grahp shows me climbing. Later I passed the AI, with out making a single new ship? Plus the graph climbed from 1000 to 2000? I do not know what it means. I did not even refit or make a starbase on the other planet. I did not make any colony bases or anything.

[Whoha]

dont have a save handy, its been a while since i've used the twf/phase cloak combo