Xbox 360 or PS3?

[DrSpike]

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that cares (probably no one) that I have a healthy scepticism, and you are an unquestioning fanboy.

[Asher]

More accurately, you don't comprehend computer engineering, thermal dynamics, or what caused the errors in the first place and how the Jasper version fixes them.

[Nikolai]

If you mainly want games, go for the 360. If you mainly want it for its bluray capabilities and media server functionality, go for the PS3.

[DrSpike]

More accurately, you don't comprehend computer engineering, thermal dynamics, or what caused the errors in the first place and how the Jasper version fixes them.

More accurately, I don't have your blind faith that all is now well, after several years of very high failure rates. Perhaps the people at MS who designed the 360 in the first place were also ignorant of the computer engineering and thermal dynamics?

There are good early signs sure - but MS still have everything to prove on this issue.

You are just so blinkered.

[Asher]

It's not blind faith. All signs point to it being the case. This is from feedback from the repair centres, all studies available, results of various informal polls on forums I've seen over the year, an understanding of what caused the original problems and how and why Jasper fixed it.

And yes, the people at ATI (not MS) who designed the interconnects for the GPU and its cooling system did not adequately understand thermodynamics. It required a substantial redesign of the GPU and how it connects, and this was not done until Jasper. All earlier variants of the 360 mitigated the issue by keeping additional heat away from the GPU (by shrinking and cooling the CPU, giving it an independent HSF, etc but these were all bandaids).

So, for the simpletons out there, the reason why the reliability argument is not relevant here is because all signs point to the 360s on the shelves now being just as reliable as the PS3s. We know this from independent studies (sourced in this article), anecdotal evidence, and scientific knowledge as to the cause and fix for the RROD issue.

The summary here is DrSpike did not know what he was talking about. His comment would've been true a year ago, but not now. The rest of this thread has been him trying to squirm out of admitting he was wrong. Now he's relying simply on the argument that "because the earlier revisions of the 360 had issues, we can't know that the new one is different". That is to say, his argument is based on nothing but **** he pulls out of his ass and pretends is a relevant piece for discussion.

[fed1943]

Sorry for disturbing you. I know nothing of computers and never had a console.
My only chance is to pay close attention to the words of experts.
What is actually a console? Is it a computer, but more limited?
Has the console some technical specialization over a normal computer?
Or its field is a legal one, getting contracts of exclusive with some software,
mostly games. What I heard from publicity seems the last, since when they say
a console is good, say nothing about the console itself, instead speak of some
games.
Can someone please teach me?
My thanks in advance.

[DrSpike]

It's not blind faith. All signs point to it being the case. This is from feedback from the repair centres, all studies available, results of various informal polls on forums I've seen over the year, an understanding of what caused the original problems and how and why Jasper fixed it.

And yes, the people at ATI (not MS) who designed the interconnects for the GPU and its cooling system did not adequately understand thermodynamics. It required a substantial redesign of the GPU and how it connects, and this was not done until Jasper. All earlier variants of the 360 mitigated the issue by keeping additional heat away from the GPU (by shrinking and cooling the CPU, giving it an independent HSF, etc but these were all bandaids).

So, for the simpletons out there, the reason why the reliability argument is not relevant here is because all signs point to the 360s on the shelves now being just as reliable as the PS3s. We know this from independent studies (sourced in this article), anecdotal evidence, and scientific knowledge as to the cause and fix for the RROD issue.

I hope you are right, I really do. Time and actual data 1 year+ will tell, for those of us who aren't willing to unquestioningly swallow that 'it's different this time'.

[mrboo123]

If you mainly want games, go for the 360. If you mainly want it for its bluray capabilities and media server functionality, go for the PS3.

thats my generally feeling about the 2 consoles too. Considering I don't watch much movies, another point for the 360.

What is actually a console? Is it a computer, but more limited?

Historically, a console is just a computer that is specifically design to play video games. The PS2 and original XBox (I think) where the 1st to do any thing besides that, having the ability to play DVDs. The current gen of consoles are now trying to be more of a general media hub.

Has the console some technical specialization over a normal computer?

I think the biggest difference is that a console can focus all of its resources to just game play, while a PC also has to run the OS and any other programs your running.

Or its field is a legal one, getting contracts of exclusive with some software,
mostly games. What I heard from publicity seems the last, since when they say
a console is good, say nothing about the console itself, instead speak of some
games.
Can someone please teach me?
My thanks in advance.

Reason why people always talk about the games for a console is that games have to be design and programmed for separate console, the console's OSs, the console's controllers etc.

If consoles where more like a DVD/Blue Ray player, where any game could be played on any console, then the biggest deciding factor would be the actual performance of the console.

Hope that helps.

[johnwall]

360 or ps3? I don't want to waste my money on these 2 consoles.. I'd rather buy a new or upgrade my PC. Just my 2 cents.

[Jon Miller]

I would get a PS3 now, because of my interest in DUST514.

JM

[Nikolai]

Ps3 is the best media center, Xbox is the best gaming console.

[Elok]

Historically, a console is just a computer that is specifically design to play video games. The PS2 and original XBox (I think) where the 1st to do any thing besides that, having the ability to play DVDs. The current gen of consoles are now trying to be more of a general media hub.

Not that it matters at this point, but the PS1 and Saturn could play music CDs as well as games.

[OzzyKP]

I am considering a PS3. It probably won't happen since I don't really want to spend the money on either the console or the games, but... maybe. Turns out lots of my friends have one, and since it is free to play online... maybe.

[Michel Ponting]

My favorite is the PS3 simply because you can still get all these amazing games on it. It's a decent price. Its generally a really good console.

[aadamjohnsons]

Although most of people like Play station gaming console for playing games I rather prefer xbox 360 console. It is more compatible and customisable gaming console than PS3. Moreover it provide wide variety of amazing games.