Society VIII: Quest For Perfection (Game Thread)

[MJW]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
Hmm... I'm confused about what happened with Spaced Cities- I think he has either 11 as I wrote on the chart or 13... If you don't want to claim the 13, feel free to act as though you have 11 for now.

Good luck.

I don't care how many cities Spaced has but Hercules and Spaced might...

[Spaced Cowboy]

I'll look at my last orders again when I have a change, sorry don't have time to do orders right now, maybe tonight or in the morning. I have been quite busy here working 12-14 hours a day.

[Spaced Cowboy]

I checked my orders, I did give build orders for thirteen cities.

I've sent my orders.

[DarkCloud]

Ah, that explains the map then. I'll see what I can do about processing the orders in the next day or two.

[Spaced Cowboy]

Yeah, the map is right, but you probably missed the leftmost two cities on your count. I hope they were in the calc though?

[DarkCloud]

Society Turn: 8

World Trade
* MJW (Kira's Kingdom)
None

* Da Boyz
9 caravan(s) to Hercules Cost:198
Trade profit for trader: 1764 gold.
Trader is a Republic.
Republic bonus applied to recipient of ?????
for a total of 396 to the partner.

* Sherlock Holmes (Hercules)
5 caravan(s) to Spaced Cowboy Cost:110
Trade profit for trader: 980 gold.
Trader is a Republic.
Republic bonus applied to recipient of ?????
for a total of 220 to the partner.

5 caravan(s) to MJW Cost:105
Trade profit for trader: 890 gold.
Trader is a Republic.
Monarchy bonus applied to recipient of 52
for a total of 157 to the partner.

News
* Kira's Kingdom revolted to a Republic and declared war on Da Boyz.
* KGB renders Trojan Horse (Kira's) inoperable.
Which ruins MJW's order to stop Space's Spying phase (I have a feeling we have a rule

dispute brewing here... but there's no point to the KGB unless it can sabotage at the

beginning of the turn.)
* King Kira's remarkable passivity this turn allowed Da Boyz to win a cultural victory

with 7 built and held wonders of the world (!)

Technology
11- Nuclear Fission (213 gp) (Sherlock Holmes)
13- Space Flight (932 gp) (Da Boyz)

Cities

Wonders
* Da Boyz build the Majestic 12 for 591 gp.

Army
* Da Boyz build 145 armies.

Espionage
- Sherlock Holmes' city build was mysteriously sabotaged.
- Sherlock Holmes attempted to sabotauge Da Boyz's wonder construction, but was foiiled.
- MJW's city build was mysteriously sabotagued (then again, no cities were slated to be

constructed)
- MJW's spy attempted to assault Da Boyz's spying phase, but deserted after his Trojan

Horse was deactivated.

Wars
KIRA'S KINGDOM v. DA BOYZ

[DarkCloud]

  

    
Society
    
Cities
    
Tech
    
Army
    
SS Parts
    
Nukes
    
SDI
    
Gold
    
Govt.
  
  

    
Theben
    
0
    
10
    
162
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
6
    
2
  
  

    
EPW
    
0
    
5
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
1
  
  

    
Hercules
    
8
    
11
    
239
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
2837
    
2
  
  

    
MJW
    
17
    
11
    
336
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
3022
    
1
  
  

    
Spaced Cowboy
    
13
    
13
    
217
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
1682
    
2
  
  

    
Whoha
    
0
    
9
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
1
  
  
 The Cost of Technology for the new turn:             
           
  

    2 Iron Working 1 gold.  

    3 Monarchy 4 golds.  

    4 Architecture 10 golds.  

    5 Geography 16 golds.  

    6 Religion 1 gold.  

    7 Espionage 1 gold.  

    8 Industrialization 1 gold.  

    9 Representative Govt 1 gold.  

    10 Mass Education 36 golds.  


    11 Nuclear Fission 59 golds.  

    12 Miniaturization 96 golds.  

    13 Space Flight 251 golds.  

TAX

Hercules
REPUBLIC
Base Income is: 440 gold
Govt Bonus is: 440 gold
Army Levy is: 0 deducted
Babel income is: 0
Trade income is: 0
Rep Army income is: -239
Final Turn Income is: 641

ORDERS from MJW
MONARCHY
Base Income is: 660 gold
Govt Bonus is: 391 gold
Army Levy is: 20 deducted
Babel income is: 121
Trade income is: 0
Rep Army income is: 0
Final Turn Income is: 1152

Spaced Cowboy
REPUBLIC
Base Income is: 845 gold
Govt Bonus is: 845 gold
Army Levy is: -17 deducted
Babel income is: 0
Trade income is: 0
Rep Army income is: 0
Final Turn Income is: 1673

+ Trade bonuses not added in yet.
-
Note If MJW had sneak attacked instead of revolting to republic, and had taken even one wonder from Spaced, then MJW likely would have won.
Also Note on the Map below and the chart, MJW has significantly less cities than he really does... I would fix it, but the game appears to be over. MJW has somewhere around 35 cities at least.

As it is, well played Spaced Cowboy!

And thanks all for playing

[DarkCloud]

Also of note; on the army levies for Hercules and Spaced Cowboy... I don't understand why even though both are republics, Spaced's levy is significantly less? I'll have to double-check that on the next edition of the game.

Also of note: Hercules additionally had about 100 extra armies slated to be built, I neglected to spend that extra cash after I realized Spaced had won.

[Krill]

Shouldn't you have to hold on to all of the wonder cities for an entire turn before you can win?

[MJW]

1. He could have used it against the horse last turn. This means its not useless.

I think the "win-built" pharse means it only works only during the wonder building pharse (I think).

I talked about this in the thread for a long time giving you time to correct me.

2. You forgot about the NRA. (But my nuking idea would have worked).

[MJW]

Originally posted by Krill
Shouldn't you have to hold on to all of the wonder cities for an entire turn before you can win?

no...

[Hercules]

Congratulations. Well played Spaced.

[DarkCloud]

Shouldn't you have to hold on to all of the wonder cities for an entire turn before you can win?

Basically, he did. The rule is "Build and Hold."

Feasibly, this could have happened.

Wonder construction happens before war- therefore if he BUILT 7 wonders and then MJW seized one city, he would not have "held" the wonder.
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1. He could have used it against the horse last turn. This means its not useless.

Well, he built it last turn, so he couldn't use it until the beginning of this turn? You can never use a wonder on the turn that it is built.

I think the "win-built" pharse means it only works only during the wonder building pharse (I think).

I talked about this in the thread for a long time giving you time to correct me.

I didn't realize you were asking about that...
Still, I don't see how the wonder could be useful unless it was allowed to act FIRST on the next turn? All wonders seem to act whenever the phase they affect is used. Thus, if this wonder is negating the Trojan Horse- it should act when the trojan horse acts (the espionage phase). If it negated the silk road, it would act during the (trade phase). If it negated mafia, it would act in the (tax phase).

I think that makes sense.

[MJW]

Originally posted by DarkCloud

Well, he built it last turn, so he couldn't use it until the beginning of this turn? You can never use a wonder on the turn that it is built.


I didn't realize you were asking about that...
Still, I don't see how the wonder could be useful unless it was allowed to act FIRST on the next turn? All wonders seem to act whenever the phase they affect is used. Thus, if this wonder is negating the Trojan Horse- it should act when the trojan horse acts (the espionage phase). If it negated the silk road, it would act during the (trade phase). If it negated mafia, it would act in the (tax phase).

I think that makes sense.

I thought that the words "when built" overides the one turn waiting period and spaced "spaced-out". But if the words "when built" mean nothing (and you can negate a wonder in general) then your idea makes sense...

In fact I would think KGB would be active at the beganing of the next turn right away even before spying otherwise KGB would be two turns slow.

If no one else supports my viewpoint within 48 hours from this post then I will admit that Spaced Cowboy won. Unclear rules made me make a bad move but I still made it -- just like Whoha.

[DarkCloud]

This is what I have on the rewrite list:
What else should be added?
...I was really hoping we had all the glitches cleared up. It amazes me how we ran this game back in the day with so much up in the air.:

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* When Trojan Horse targets a foreign country's espionage phase it stops a maximum of two spies from that country.

* Mafia - All of YOUR cities can be taxed.

* If Trading is sabotaged, you don't lose the costs for trading- trading simply never happened.

* KGB is activated the next turn after being built immediately before the operation of the wonder which it is supposed to terminate.