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  • #46
    Originally posted by Kataphraktoi

    So first the wii is losing to the 360 and then its making a killing? Which is it?
    It's both. It's making a killing in the short-term, it's losing to the 360 in software sales which means it will ultimately be less profitable.

    Now i have not looked this up for myself, but im told MS's console game division has taken major losses and only in recent months managed to get a profit going and has yet to get in the black in terms of lifetime $. True\false?
    The Xbox 360 will lose MS money in the short term, and make money in the long term.

    I think it's very important to look at the big picture. Nintendo has huge profit margins on its hardware, which means huge profit upfront. Without a competitive games ecosystem, there's less profit to be made down the road. Nintendo may have the same number of hardware units out there than MS, but when Wii owners buy games at 1/3rd the pace as 360 owners, who will make more money two years from now?

    This isn't even factoring in the issues of the Wii "novelty factor" and its aging graphics/sound/presentation as more people adopt HDTVs and prefer games that don't look like they're from 1999.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #47
      Maybe Nintendo are planning to announce the Super-Wii.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Asher

        I consider the Wii to be overpriced because as a technologist and as gamer, what you get is probably worth all of $70 at most. .
        Im wondering what is the specific combo of HW and SW available for $70 that delivers exactly the experience of the Wii, including the Wiimote and the included Wii sports. A PSone plus some PSone sports games, maybe?

        Im looking at it in terms of DDR and some related things, and Im thinking Id have to at least get a PS2, for $125 or so, and that wouldnt come with WiiSports.

        If you compare the Wii to the PS2, and look at either graphics quality, or look at multiplatform releases that are not available on PS2 (making the assumption that the buyer doesnt own and isnt going to buy a 360 or PS3) then at most, IIUC, the Wii is only slightly overpriced.

        Even if you can pull together a PS1 plus other stuff combo that matches it for $70, how easy is that going to be for the average consumer to find and figure out. Thats part of the value proposition too, and I dont think MS would disagree.
        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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        • #49
          Lotm-

          I picked up ddr for the wii a few days ago, its a pretty fun experience, a decent mix of songs and skill levels. Its a good match for the wii.

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          • #50
            You don't want to argue value proposition of the Wii vs the 360, LOTM.
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Asher

              I consider the Wii to be overpriced because as a technologist and as gamer, what you get is probably worth all of $70 at most.
              Well, its worth at least $100, due to wifi being included.

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              • #52
                Touche!
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #53
                  Asher, wrong move. Do I have to take over for you? The correct response is "What use is wifi without anything worth connecting to the Internet?"

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                  • #54
                    I'm disgusted by the price of the 360's wireless adapter myself.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Asher
                      You don't want to argue value proposition of the Wii vs the 360, LOTM.
                      Ah, but saying X isnt worth alot cause Y which costs 50% more does twice as much is far different from saying X isnt worth lot cause Z can do everything X can do for less.

                      Not everyone is interested in the incremental capabilities of the 360 over the Wii, and not everyone wants to part with that much money at once for a gaming machine. Those are people who havent historically been in the Xbox market, and who are the Wii target market of "new gamers". You have said yourself repeatedly, I think, that Wii doesnt really compete head on with 360.

                      It less like comparing a Ford to Toyota, then comparing a motorcycle to a sedan. Sure you cant carry 3 friends on the motorcycle, or carry loads of groceries, but it doesnt mean the motorcycle isnt a good value proposition to someone who only wants to carry around themself.
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #56
                        Not everyone is interested in the incremental capabilities of the 360 over the Wii

                        "incremental"? They are as incremental as a 2007 Toyota is to a 1960s Ford.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Asher
                          Not everyone is interested in the incremental capabilities of the 360 over the Wii

                          "incremental"? They are as incremental as a 2007 Toyota is to a 1960s Ford.
                          incremental in economics doesnt mean small. Its means the difference, or increment. So yes, there is an incremental difference of a 2007 Toyota over a 1960s Ford. And the ability to get down the block to the grocery store is NOT an incremental benefit of the Toyota.

                          But no one sells new 1960s Fords (why would they, it probably wouldnt be cheap to make them) and a used one has very high maintenance costs (Id say you dont want to bring that up comparing the Wii and the 360) The Wii is more like a motorcycle compared to a sedan, or an economy sedan compared to an SUV or luxury vehicle. IE it represents a DIFFERENT value proposition, aimed at a different market.
                          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by lord of the mark
                            incremental in economics doesnt mean small.
                            You said incremental capabilities. Considering the power of the console is over an order of magnitude greater, "incremental" does not cut it.

                            Incremental capability increases is Wii on the Gamecube.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Asher

                              You said incremental capabilities. Considering the power of the console is over an order of magnitude greater, "incremental" does not cut it.

                              Incremental capability increases is Wii on the Gamecube.
                              If you go from $100 revenue to $10,000 revenue by changing something, the incremental revenue due to that change is $9,900. Thats how the word incremental is used in economics, and for the most part in finance and those businesses that routinely use finance terminology. It does not refer to what the order of magnitude is.
                              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                              • #60
                                It is funny you picked Annubis II to be the "Halo killer," when this game just came out and rates 9.5:

                                http://wii.ign.com/articles/813/813952p1.html


                                Or this one at 9.0 from 9/12/07

                                http://wii.ign.com/articles/819/819286p1.html


                                Or this one from August at 9.0:

                                http://wii.ign.com/articles/811/811278p1.html


                                Or another 9.0 from May:

                                http://wii.ign.com/articles/788/788152p1.html


                                Or Metroid 3 at 9.5

                                http://wii.ign.com/articles/815/815424p1.html


                                Get over yourself and your biases Asher, the Wii has good games. It is not really meant to be a videogame system anyway. It is more like a toy and just has a different approach on gaming that involves casual play and motion controls. Don't bother comparing it to a mini PC.

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