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  • #16
    Oh God. Here we go again.

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    • #17
      Multiplayer games are the pinnacle of gaming.

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      • #18
        Multiplayer games are the point of gaming. The computer is a poor subsitute for a real opponent.
        1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
        That's like trying to overninja a ninja when you aren't a mammal. CAN'T BE DONE. - Kassi on doublecrossing Ljube-ljcvetko
        Check out the ALL NEW Galactic Overlord Website for v2.0 and the Napoleonic Overlord Website or even the Galactic Captians Website Thanks Geocities!
        Taht 'ventisular link be woo to clyck.

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        • #19
          Computer games are simulations. Why not take it a step further and have the personalities in the game also simulations? SP!
          I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Urban Ranger
            For example, in Starcraft, you don't get to see how the story unfolds if you don't play SP. It's the same thing.
            Actually, in Starcraft, if you want to see how the story unfolds but don't want to play MP, you read a spoiler guide on the web.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Jamski
              Multiplayer games are the point of gaming. The computer is a poor subsitute for a real opponent.
              Depending on the game genre. Certainly Chessmaster is a worthy opponent
              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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              • #22
                It took a supercomputer to beat the best human chess player.
                I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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                • #23
                  Most people aren't the best human chess player.

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                  • #24
                    Most computers aren't supercomputers.
                    I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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                    • #25
                      While the a competent chess program on an average computer nowadays can beat an average player, Go programs can't do the same. It appears that Starcraft (or any real time games) are simple enough that a well written AI routine can give human players serious runs for the money. Esp. considering that the computer can always click a mouse faster than any human players.
                      (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                      (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                      (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                      • #26
                        Sorry but what's your evidence for that last statement? I've been involved in RTS games like WC3 seriously and I just don't see how an AI at this stage can give a top human player any trouble at all.

                        The only way maps are made difficult versus AI in SP is giving them resource advantages.

                        So what's your evidence? Just 'clicking' a mouse fast is not enough I'm afraid.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                          While the a competent chess program on an average computer nowadays can beat an average player, Go programs can't do the same. It appears that Starcraft (or any real time games) are simple enough that a well written AI routine can give human players serious runs for the money. Esp. considering that the computer can always click a mouse faster than any human players.
                          Btw your comments on chess are a little out too. Fritz 8 (Champion Edition) is around £40 and plays at around 2600 ELO. Only GMs are stronger, and it's been a while but (anyone who has the whole FIDE rankings can post a better figure) less than a 1000 GMs are ranked higher than 2600 on a normal machine.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                            You are not forced to do anything. As you said, these extras are just skins and stuff that are nice to have but not necessary for gamplay.
                            Not really, as it also unlocks maps (maps that are better than the random generated ones), which makes gameplay better

                            Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                            Stuff like this happens in games all the time. RPG games have different endings depending on your actions. Some have secret side quests. Others have "Easter Eggs" you can stumble upon.
                            But RPG games are ment to be like that, that is one of the main points in RPG games, to discover the world. For a MP game you just want to beat the hell out of the other players...
                            This space is empty... or is it?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by DrSpike
                              Sorry but what's your evidence for that last statement? I've been involved in RTS games like WC3 seriously and I just don't see how an AI at this stage can give a top human player any trouble at all.
                              Because they don't have AI at all in any of the Blizzard games. Just scripts and stuff through and through in the SP games.

                              Originally posted by DrSpike
                              So what's your evidence? Just 'clicking' a mouse fast is not enough I'm afraid.
                              Elementary, my dear Watson. It's a simple observation of the complexity of the rules vs the capability of the computer, plus the knowledge of what a competent AI could do.
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DrSpike
                                Btw your comments on chess are a little out too. Fritz 8 (Champion Edition) is around £40 and plays at around 2600 ELO.
                                Well, I take ratings of computer chess programs with a grain of salt, unless it has been tested vigorously.
                                (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                                (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                                (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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