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Ascii graphics? Thanks, but no thanks! At least, there's a non-ascii version of Nethack. It takes some of the pain away. If I want a good roguelike game, I'll get Diablo 2. At least Blizzard got the gameplay right. But I don't want roguelike games, I can't stand them anymore. Even Diablo 2 bores me.
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Eh, comparing Diablo and Nethack is like comparing Civ and Age of Empires. For one thing I don't think you can call it a roguelike if it is not divided into turns.Originally posted by nostromo
Ascii graphics? Thanks, but no thanks! At least, there's a non-ascii version of Nethack. It takes some of the pain away. If I want a good roguelike game, I'll get Diablo 2. At least Blizzard got the gameplay right. But I don't want roguelike games, I can't stand them anymore. Even Diablo 2 bores me.Comment
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Nethack and Diablo have a lot of elements in common. Kill the monster, collect the loot, pump up your stats, repeat. Btw, in the first stages of development, Diablo was turn-based, then they tried it in real-time. Voilà ! I agree that Nethack is more complex than Diablo, but was is the point? After all, basically it's the same game: kill the monster, collect the loot, pump up your stats, repeat.
But I have top admit that I tried Nethack like... 30 minutes, then I said to myself: there's no way I'll learn all these commands for... for what? A bloated version of Diablo? A game that bores me to tears?Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – LessingComment
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I guess that is where we differ, adding more complex gameplay never makes me think 'So what?'. I played Diablo for maybe a week before being able to play it optimally, not accounting for reflexes. Once it gets to that point, the only reason to continue is for the (thin) plot, or the arcade action which can be found in hundreds of games. By contrast, I'm still fiddling with tactics and options in Nethack, after playing it for years.Originally posted by nostromo
Nethack and Diablo have a lot of elements in common. Kill the monster, collect the loot, pump up your stats, repeat. Btw, in the first stages of development, Diablo was turn-based, then they tried it in real-time. Voilà ! I agree that Nethack is more complex than Diablo, but was is the point? After all, basically it's the same game: kill the monster, collect the loot, pump up your stats, repeat.
But I have top admit that I tried Nethack like... 30 minutes, then I said to myself: there's no way I'll learn all these commands for... for what? A bloated version of Diablo? A game that bores me to tears?Comment
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Why bother with the non-ascii version ?? That's like taking Chess and adding super-fancy 3d graphics and battling pieces. Ok, looks fun for a while, but really pretty useless in the long run, i'll take the 2d version anyday.Originally posted by nostromo
Ascii graphics? Thanks, but no thanks! At least, there's a non-ascii version of Nethack. It takes some of the pain away. If I want a good roguelike game, I'll get Diablo 2. At least Blizzard got the gameplay right. But I don't want roguelike games, I can't stand them anymore. Even Diablo 2 bores me.
(Or of course you could take the game, make it 3d, and then turn it into Checkers ... which is a pretty good comparison to Roguelike games transforming into Diablo.)
Diablo, btw, which is in no way shape or form a roguelike game. "Roguelike" describes a particular subset of ascii graphical games that are similar to the game Rogue, and have a similar style, command set, etc. They are dungeon crawlers, like Diablo, and undoubtedly someone was playing a bit too much Nethack when he suddenly thought, "Wow, Diablo!" and made Diablo - but the similarity ends there.
Admittedly I don't play much Angband anymore, just as a mindless diversion really, and I enjoyed Diablo (but not Diablo II as much, oddly) ... but I still find great distinction between the two.
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The best rogue-like game is Omega.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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I think he means the 2D non-ascii version. It uses little tiles to replace each ascii character. It makes Nethack perfect.Originally posted by snoopy369
Why bother with the non-ascii version ?? That's like taking Chess and adding super-fancy 3d graphics and battling pieces. Ok, looks fun for a while, but really pretty useless in the long run, i'll take the 2d version anyday.
The lastest version of Nethack comes with both ascii and tiles interface.
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what the hell is roguelike?
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Originally posted by DrSpike
Wow, didn't know that. Great game, though it has a steep learning curve, especially if you get no manual.
Apparently it was released without much fanfare. I was rather surprised myself when it popped up as an "old" news item at one of JA2 sites whilst looking for some new mods.
Oddly, I would have expected the JA2 source release to be shouted of the rooftops, it is a classic TBS. But hardly a word beyond the JA community. Even there it isn't really common knowledge.
You should also check out the source and read some of the comments in some of the modules. The ones about the motivation for the AI design are quite insightful.
As for a manual, you'll get just as far with a good FAQ/strat guide.Skeptics should forego any thought of convincing the unconvinced that we hold the torch of truth illuminating the darkness. A more modest, realistic, and achievable goal is to encourage the idea that one may be mistaken. Doubt is humbling and constructive; it leads to rational thought in weighing alternatives and fully reexamining options, and it opens unlimited vistas.
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System Shock 2 is free now, GTA1&2 are too, great games.
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Old games:
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Yeah System Shock 2 is well worth the download, even if it takes you a little while on 56K.
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where can I find these games? system shock 2 and jagged alliance2
nethack. I've thought about it, but I do admit, I like graphics. Sure gameplay is always the most important. But non graphical games I can only play for an hour or two before they hurt my eyes. I'm not talking about top notch graphics here. Just sufficient graphics to get the job done. SMAC is an example of this.Comment
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System Shock 2 is available from the place I omitted to mention the other day in response to your question because the owners of this site look unfavourably on it.
JA2 (from what Cap says) is available in source code form. You may have to compile it, or whatever it's called.
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