Knights of the Old Republic II!

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by Jamski
Look, in every movie, in every game, the hero ducks behind the bar if there is a "fight in a bar scene" FACT.

-Jam

But in the movies, the enemies can actually jump over the bar.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
I think that's considered abusing the game mechanics.

Yeah, but when it is for a stupid out of the blue fight, it's worth it . Better than getting killed a few more times (after 3 times, I decided to make a run for cover).

[Jaguar]

I think the old woman is evil. She reminds me of Voldemort or something.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Jamski
That fight is TEH EASY.

Run behind the bar, stand there and shoot them. The AI pathfinding makes them run up to the bar and stop there waving their swords about. Easiness.

-Jam

yeah talk about abuse.

What I did, was run to the back of the bar by one of the tables. You squeeze in behind a guy sitting down in a chair, and fight right behind his head. Kind of funny watching the guy just sit there doing nothing, while there's an intense battle with blades flying everywhere right behind his head. This way I only have to fight one at a time. Much easier to deal with.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
I think that's considered abusing the game mechanics.

That's Jam's favourite game.

[Jagdtiger]

Wow, just finished it, dark side...I think. Can anyone explain what just happened?

Spoiler:

Just a final shot of the planet, and that's it? I mean....no, right? I'm beginning to think that it's the same ending to matter what I am, please say it isn't so!!

Spoiler:

And what about everyone else?
Treya's going on about their "future" while I'm like, "yeah lady, except for the fact that the friggin' ship just seems to have fallen into an abysm about two cutscenes back, good point!"

The ability to warp your party members into your way of thinking kicked ass. However I didn't think the whole "influence" thing was explained very well. Also a lot of things just don't make sense. For example, I turned Handmaiden into a sexy ice queen Dark Jedi Guardian, but I couldn't take her on quests because I'd always lose influence: She would still get upset when I killed innocents. And so on. The Darth-Maul dude looks like such a badass, and they go and decide to make him a total coward.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by Jaguar
I think the old woman is evil. She reminds me of Voldemort or something.

Comparing a Jedi to a fantasy character

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Jagdtiger
Wow, just finished it, dark side...I think. Can anyone explain what just happened?

Spoiler:

Just a final shot of the planet, and that's it? I mean....no, right? I'm beginning to think that it's the same ending to matter what I am, please say it isn't so!!

Spoiler:

And what about everyone else?
Treya's going on about their "future" while I'm like, "yeah lady, except for the fact that the friggin' ship just seems to have fallen into an abysm about two cutscenes back, good point!"

The ability to warp your party members into your way of thinking kicked ass. However I didn't think the whole "influence" thing was explained very well. Also a lot of things just don't make sense. For example, I turned Handmaiden into a sexy ice queen Dark Jedi Guardian, but I couldn't take her on quests because I'd always lose influence: She would still get upset when I killed innocents. And so on. The Darth-Maul dude looks like such a badass, and they go and decide to make him a total coward.

Spoiler:

if you have Kreia in your party then you GAIN influence with the other member from senseless violence

[Dis]

finished the game as the dark side. Much, much easier than my light side character. Let's just say force crush (I think that's the name) kicks all ass. I didn't need anything besides that. Sure Traya made all its saves, but it still knocks them back and on the ground unable to do anything, and knocks a good chunk of life off.

I had no problem beating Traya on difficult level this time. Caster characters are just much stronger than melee ones it seems (I hardly ever get hit). That wisdom really seems to help (I put all my points into wisdom).

It's a pretty good game. I think I like it a little better now. Though I think the first one still holds a slight edge. It's tough to say.

I'll probably put it down for a couple of months, and may be come back to it. I've played a guardian/weapon master, and a consular/sith lord. so the next obvious choice is sentinal.

[General Ludd]

I asked this in another thread, but no one answered me.


I never completely finished KOTOR, will that make KOTOR2 less enjoyable - are there some spoilers I should know before playing it? (go ahead and tell me, as long as they only relate to the first) or is there alot of more subtle things that I'll be missing out on?

[DrSpike]

Can't answer on the plot yet, though from reviews it looks better but not essential to have finished the first.

More fundamentally why didn't you finish? The sequel by all accounts is very similar, which is great if you liked the game, but not if you didn't.

[Dis]

if you didn't like the first game, you probably won't like the second .

It helps to have finished the first, or at least know about the backstory. It can explain why Carth is or is not there in KOTOR2. And it really helps to figure out what really happened to Revan if you haven't gotten that far in KOTOR1.

The only reason KOTOR2 is not considered as good as KOTOR1 is because the ending feels rushed. It looks like they had to meet some christmas deadline, and it looked like they would have a great ending with all your NPC's similar to Planescape:Torment. But instead all your NPC's are "dismissed" and you do the final sequences alone. And there's a movie at the end which is really short and doesn't explain what happened to the robots (not getting too specific- I won't spoil it). or what happened to the ship.

But it is better in some ways. My latest game I had an intelligence of 16. So I had many skill points. You can break down equipment and build new equipment. I didn't realize this at first. There some great scopes and such for blaster rifles and pistols. Finally making them as powerful as they should be. They did higher end damage than my light saber.

The influence system is novel. Though it's kind of flawed in some ways. Even if you convert a party member to the dark side, doing evil acts may still create negative influence. and you really have to get good influence to understand all the plot points.

[Dis]

I've been playing too much KOTOR2 and SMAC recently.

Last night I dreamt I was playing a game that was a combination of both of these games. Which I think is a great idea. I'm going to call up Brian Reynolds and Chris Avellone. Sure Brian isn't doing those types of games anymore, but I'm sure I can convince him.

They could create the ultimate sci-fi strategy rpg game. Wouldn't that be cool?

[Tassadar500]

What happens if you Carth isn't there? Does anyone replace him?

[Dis]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
What happens if you Carth isn't there? Does anyone replace him?

yeah some generic admiral replaces him. The lines are a little different.

Spoiler:

there's not interaction with Bastila for instance

but they get the same message across.