Reflections on completing Planescape:Torment

[Grumbold]

I love the game and have played it through three times (with long intervals) to explore different morality choices as the Nameless One, see if I can spot more nuances, sidequests and the like.

Both Fallout 2 and BG2 are more 'heroic' fantasy. I'm very glad that I've bought and played all three.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

does it mean that im just not interested in story oriented RPG's, or that its something particular to this game

Ah... well PS:T is a VERY 'book-like' game, in that there is a Hell of a lot of dialogue compared to other RPGs I've played. I actually prefer that style, myself. But it is rare... most RPGs have more action and less dialog.

not to mention general ew yuck factor

You wuss . Well don't play Doom3 then .

Well, arent we all manly playing gross out games? Look, i played the game for months, I can take it, man. But its not what id rather play. I dont find it that sort of thing entertaining, and I play games like this for entertainment. Again, if I seriously want to struggle with the meaning of death, Im more interested in what Franz Rosenzwieg has to say than what Chris Avellone has to say. And I think i played with an open mind, if Avellone did have anything deep to say i think id have noted it. There were a few moments there, but not enough to justify the atmosphere.

But thinks for the permission not to play Doom3.

[lord of the mark]

again, at some level i was impressed with this game, im not dissing it, just pointing out why i wouldnt put it on my all time faves list.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
BG1 did nothing for me.
BG2 was great.

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Torment is the best RPG ever.

Enough said. Nothing beats PS:T. Fallout 2 and BG2 get near, but do not get near it. BTW, this is first I heard PS:T is too dark for them? Did you want Kill-Lady-of-Pain-be-a-normal-again-save-the-Planes-from-something-evil-and-all-is-well ending? Yes, you are immortal, your goal is to die, and you end up where you do, but it is a happy ending, if you watched the story line. It is the only right solution, lest Kill-bad-guy-and-everything-resets-to-normal ending is wished. PS:T is the way RPG games should go, interesting story, locations, atmosphere and characters - there are moments when it stirs emotions in you. Although I agree there should be more travel through planes - but then again I would wish a gigantic game.

[lord of the mark]

It wasnt so much the ending as the atmosphere. Id like to see trees - like in BG - not just mourning for trees. Id like to see children - present in BG, not in PST. Id like weapons to not always be jagged, or things that look like butchers tools or primitive surgical instruments. Id like not to have intestinal removal play a role. You see where im going.

Again, PST is only the second RPG ive played. From what I gather the fight and kill the "grand floozle" is the genres cliche. While BG is the only game ive played that does that, i understand that there are enough of those, and im not suggesting there should be more.

What might be interesting is a game set in a real world contemporary setting, or a historical one, with a deep story, an emphasis on dialog and character, and a normal plot. Maybe that wouldnt really fit the RPG genre, i dont know. Maybe if youre going to make a good RPG and make it different from "kill the grand floozle" you need something as gothic as PST. Maybe what im looking for fits a different genre, or doesnt fit electronic gaming at all.

[Barinthus]

LotM - Have you played Divine series? I have to warn you, I haven't played those, only demos.

But the second installation looks interesting - basically you wake up and find yourself in a prison and that your soul has been binded to a death knight. You have to keep each other alive and figure how to undo the curse.

The story sounds interesting but who knows it could end up to be a

fight and kill the "grand floozle"

[Grumbold]

Divine Divinity and Beyond Divinity are basically just fight and kill fests with a small amount of spark added by having movable environment objects so keys or levers can be hidden behind barrels or under boxes. Fun, but essentially a no brainer fight game like Diablo.

[Barinthus]

Oh well, I guess I (and LoTM perhaps) can stratch those off our lists