FG: Society V: "8 is not Enough"

[Spaced Cowboy]

nobody uses it, prolly should think about making .75 instead of .5

[Sparrowhawk]

And on the topic of Wonder, I like changing Mafia to allow you to attack anyone anywhere in the world (no border necessary).

[:) Smiley]

I'd say its still quite valuable if you're in a situation where you're at war with everyone else. Definitely more valuable in a game with fewer players.

[Sparrowhawk]

To be honest, I was happy that the person that had Nascar in the game I GM'd didn't use it because I don't really get it.

Normally Caravans result in trade going both ways, sender and recipient. I think that Nascar means that only the sender gets the trade, but what is the calculation? (your own Tech Level * your own Tech Level) * Number of Caravans * 0.5 <---- is there only one way benefit or does this get multiplied x2 (sender and recipient are the same person).

/me

[:) Smiley]

One way benefit.

A person with tech level 10 trading 10 caravans with self gets 10*10*5=500 gold as the sender. He doesn't get any additional gold as recipient.

[Spaced Cowboy]

Turn 12: Beauty is only skin deep, but butt ugly goes all the way to the bone.

Trade:
8 Caravans from Muxec[17R] to Vlad Antlerkov[17R] - 4624
9 Caravans from Muxec[17R] to Smiley[17R] - 5202
17 Caravans from Whoha[17R] to Dark Cloud[17R] - 9826
17 Caravans from Smiley[17R] to Muxec[17R] - 9826
11 Caravans from Vlad Antlerkov[17R] to Muxec[17R] - 6358
6 Caravans from Vlad Antlerkov[17R] to Smiley[17R] - 3468
17 Caravans from Dark Cloud[17R] to Whoha[17R] - 9826
NOTE: I am not rounding up fractional gold due to goverment bonuses. Please plan accordingly *Denotes governmental change.

Wonder Building
Vlad Antlerkov constructs a Femto-Diodes (18th wonder) in B12 by outpacing the competitions spending and dropping 4659 on it.

Espionage
Muxec protects his military production with one spy.
Whoha sends one spy to sabotage Vald's War Phase.
Smiley sends a spy to disrupt Dark Cloud's espionage.
Vlad Antlerkov has 1 spy protect his trade
Vlad Antlerkov keeps 1 spy at home defending his wonder building phase.
Dark Cloud keeps one spy a home defending his War Phase.

**Espionage end game:
Vlad's war phase it sabotauged. Both spies from Smiley and Dark Cloud were killed in a horrible drinking accident.

Gifts
Whoha gives Dark Cloud 500 armies.
Smiley (in yet another attempt to end his turn with 0 gold) send 9 gold to Muxec.
Vlad Antlerkov shows Muxec the ways of Nano Diodes (tech 18).
Dark Cloud sends 3000 gold to Whoha and shows him the ways of Nano Diodes (tech 18) as well.

Nukes!
Muxec builds 12 more nukes and sends 14 nukes at Dark Cloud toasting all of his cities.
Whoha builds 20 nukes and sends 25 nukes at Muxec. His SDIs stop the first 8, but the rest rain destruction down on his cities eliminating him from the game.

Battles
Dark Cloud is not out of this yet. Even with no home cities to return to in the event of failure, he sends a massive 1050 unit force to the territory of Vlad Antlerkov.
Vlad's response was, "We don't need no stinkin' army!" Well apparently he don't need no cities either. Dark Cloud moves in without shedding a drop. Vlad is gone.

In other war news, Smiley's army is again on the move, but once again his army watches the territories (sneak attack on Dark Cloud) that they were ordered to capture explode in fireballs of destruction. His armies turn back.

Wonders:
Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) (Jonny) (Vlad Anterkov) (Gambecube64) - G11 - Tower of Babel.
Smiley - K2 - Colosseum. - Obsolete
Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) - K11 - Trojan Horse.
Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) (Gamecube64) - G10 - Acropolis.
Whoha (Sparrowhawk) - B6 - Jihad. - Obsolete
Dark Cloud (Ljube-ljcvetko) - K6 - Silk Road. - NUKED
Sparrowhawk (Dark Cloud) - F6 - Trans-Siberian Railroad. - NUKED
Whoha (Sparrowhawk) - A7 - National Rifle Association.
Whoha (Sparrowhawk) - B7 - Mafia.
Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) (Jonny) - B11 - University of California.
Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) (Jonny) - A12 - NASCAR.
Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) (Jonny) - A10 - The KGB. - Obsolete
Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) (Jonny) - C12 - The Majestic-12 Program.
Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) (Jonny) - C10 - Galactic Overlord.
Dark Cloud - A1 - O-rings (15th wonder). - NUKED
Muxec - C3 - Field Degenerator (16th wonder). - NUKED
Muxec - B3 - Stupidity Ampliphier (17th wonder). - NUKED
Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) - B12 - Femto-Diodes (18th wonder).

Tech prices:
Nano Diodes (tech 18) is now 3446 gold.

Subline Warp fields (tech 19) is still 16724 gold.
Tunneling Gamma Quarks (tech 20) is still 27060 gold.
Artificial Stupidity (tech 21) is still 43784 gold.

Wars
Dark Cloud and Smiley.

Misc.
Those who build wonders 15, 16, and 17 can at anytime designate another player's SS part to be destroyed. I will then mark the wonder as obsolete. You must wait until after the wonder is built, you cannot use it one the same turn as you build it.
I've added a column to the chart that should the amount of SS parts that are built. Reminder 4 components are needed to win. Tech 15+'s wonders can be built and cost tech level squared. They can be used to ruin one of your opponents already built SS parts.

Commentary
Since this is going to come up, I'll repost from the sign-in thread:
Attacking across nuked territory (Y or N)?-- allowed, but if your tech is less than 15, you lose half your armies from the radiation. If it is 15 or greater, but still less than 20, then you lose 25% of your armies. If 20 or greater, you lose no armies.
Hmm...looks like I capped caravans at 15, but forgot, so no cap.
Also think that targeting another player's espionage should not be allowed, too powerful. For instance, say there are two players left. For player one to protect all of his production, all he has to do is sabotage the other player's espionage instead of trying to decide which to protect making spying less of a cat-and-mouse type of operation.

 
    
    
 
      
Society
 
      
Goverment
      
Cities
 
      
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Army
 
      
Nukes
 
      
SDI
 
      
SS Parts
 
      
Gold
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Whoha
      
Republic
  
      
15
 
      
18
 
      
620
 
      
10
 
      
0
 
      
0
      
15841
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
:) Smiley
      
Republic
  
      
36
 
      
17
 
      
2287
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
3
      
12503
 
    
 

 
    
 
      
Dark Cloud
      
Republic
 
      
31(31)
 
      
18
 
      
1050
 
      
5
 
      
5
 
      
3
      
9169
 
    
 

[muxec]

Wait! When I wasted all of the DarkCloud's cities I wasted all of his armies so he could not attack.

[Sparrowhawk]

Nope, the attacks occur simultaneously so when you were wasting Darkcloud's cities his armies were on the move to Vlad's territory. They would have been celebrating their romp over Vlad's undefended territory when they found out that their cities back home were reduced to Nuclear Waste.

Great round, I at the endgame, should be over soon, unless Whoha somehow finds a way to nuke both Smiley and Darkcloud.

/me

Edit: Not sure who the black coloured player is, but I am betting on him to win .

Just kidding, it looks like someone will win this thing, but black is now the dominant colour on the map.

[Spaced Cowboy]

Originally posted by muxec
Wait! When I wasted all of the DarkCloud's cities I wasted all of his armies so he could not attack.

You did actually waste his defending armies.

[muxec]

Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy


You did actually waste his defending armies.

So me and Vlad misunderstood the rules

[DarkCloud]

I figured muxec was up to something... thus the desperate pleas to whoha

Dark Cloud (Vlad Antlerkov) (Jonny) (Vlad Anterkov) (Gambecube64) - G11 - Tower of Babel.

It seems the tower of babel is doing its job... now it's up to possession by 4 different nations

[DarkCloud]

Also think that targeting another player's espionage should not be allowed, too powerful. For instance, say there are two players left. For player one to protect all of his production, all he has to do is sabotage the other player's espionage instead of trying to decide which to protect making spying less of a cat-and-mouse type of operation.

well that should only destroy one spy... that's how I thought the targeting worked...

[:) Smiley]

Address to Supporters at the Colosseum

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. You just have no idea how warming and how generous that welcome is, your love is, your affection, and I'm gratified by it. I'm sorry that we got here a little bit late and a bit short.

Earlier today, I spoke to President DarkCloud, and I offered him our congratulations on his victory. We had a good conversation and we talked about the danger of division in our world and the need – the desperate need – for unity, for finding the common ground, coming together. Today, I hope that we can begin the healing. In Society it is vital that every city count, and that every city be counted. But the outcome should be decided by those resources within the cities, not a protracted nuclear exchange.

I would not give up this fight if there was a chance that we would prevail. But it is now clear that even when all the gold is spent, which they will be, there won't be enough outstanding gold for us to be able to destroy the Galactic Overlord system. And therefore, we can not win this war.

My friends, it was here that we began our campaign for world domination. And all we had was hope and a vision for a better world. It was a privilege and a gift to spend six thousand years traveling this world, coming to know so many of you. I wish that I could just wrap you in my arms and embrace each and every one of you individually all across this planet. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[Whoha]

Trade 18 caravans with Darkcloud.
Build 50 nukes and send 60 at Smiley unless that last post of his was a surrender.

[Whoha]

Suggestions for next game:
Majestic 12: Make it take 2 sdi to destroy 1 missile(or reduce sdi from 100% chance intercept down to 50% chance and have gm do random numbers to determine if nukes hit).
Galactic overlords:2 hits to kill a city down from 4.(or random as above).
SDI: cut them down to 250, nukes are just too good.
Nukes: Move em up to 1000 a piece.