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Good one Nuclear Master 
I had my suspicions on DoY for a while, almost thought it was justified...
I had my suspicions on DoY for a while, almost thought it was justified...
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They were fairly obvious if you took the time to reflect on each chapter, and as Nuclear Master pointed out- the biggest clue was the title of the first chapter!make the clues actually obviosu and we might catch the killer next time
Compared to most mafia/assassin games, my games are LOADED with clues- just about everything is a clue or a red herring- every word, every twist of phrase matters.i would like to see a game where the villagers actualy get to work out the clues, before the game ends !!!!
if someone compiles a list of all the words/exchanges, then they could track down who it can't possibly be and who it has to be!
RE: 2nd Assassins game-so without that coded clue the assasi would have won ??
Yes, possibly. No one had voted for Jon Miller before that round
But I think that the group had already ruled out 2 of the 7-9 survivors at that point.
Joncha
...and even taht was a close voteThe villagers won Assassins 2 because DarkCloud posted a coded message as a clue that I cracked
But the clues for the first game weren't even related to the game. The two clues actually pointing to you that I figured out (the positioning of the marks and the Plastics=Rubber through some weird roundabout relation) weren't even real clues.but only if the clues are too opaque. In the first game, I think I played it well, then got some luck at the end.
the only clues were "Jerrycan" "O" "N" "C" A" something spelling out your name...
And that's how it seems to be in most mafia/assassins games.-->Visit CGN!
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People think that this game is more unfair, because they don't see other people's reasons for voting for people.Comment
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the reasons for voting can be stated. People can state what clues they have found , but the votes are PMed.
I think the proof of the clues is not whether you think they are in the story , but as to whether we can find them.
I know most of the people here are reasonably intelligent people so some amngst us should find them occasionaly. But so far, I really dont think people are getting the clues. It is very hard to find a clue from a red herring or jus tthe story, until after all is revealed.GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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It didn't seem as though anyone was even trying with this story though.
people posted maybe 2 clues.
Imran was the only one who seemd to be making an effort.
There was no discussion.
all the voters kept their reasons to themselves.
that's why they lost this game.
Everyone was too lazy and no one tried.
There was no discussion.-->Visit CGN!
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once again, all my clues were 'in game' I don't require 'outgame' knowledge like someone's avatar or someone's forum relationships with other posters
and as for lookupable knowledge [such as requiring research] I don't require that either (with the exception that in the D&D one that knowledge could have helped... but was so obsucre that I didn't expect anyone to get it)
here's all the clues again:
I don't think anyone even caught the paper link... No one even mentioned it once.
That's what leads me to think that no one really tried very hard.
I've seen people cull through mafia before for clues- no one seemed to do that in this game.
Therefore, I don't see any reason why anyone should be complaining.Last edited by DarkCloud; July 4, 2004, 20:33.-->Visit CGN!
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Originally posted by DarkCloud
It didn't seem as though anyone was even trying with this story though.
people posted maybe 2 clues.
Imran was the only one who seemd to be making an effort.
There was no discussion.
all the voters kept their reasons to themselves.
that's why they lost this game.
Everyone was too lazy and no one tried.
There was no discussion.
People were:
A. playing their cards close to their chest (speak up, get killed remember?)
B. confused by the "clues"~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~Comment
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pff. in the first assassin's game I spoke a lot (I was usually wrong) but I culled through the so-called 'clues' and pointed out a lot of things and didn't get killed till near the very end- and that was by the group and not by the assassin
pointing out clues actually protects you- especially if you're wrong, since the assassin wants someone to lead the others in the wrong direction.
It also makes the thread more interesting, role-playing-wise.-->Visit CGN!
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You amost got killed at the beginning, if you recall.
And pointing out the wrong clues more often than not gets you dead. Not from the assassin, but from the villagers. It happened to me in the last game, and it happens to ljcvetko in almost every game he plays.~ If Tehben spits eggs at you, jump on them and throw them back. ~ Eventis ~ Eventis Dungeons & Dragons 6th Age Campaign: Chapter 1, Chapter 2, Chapter 3, Chapter 4: (Unspeakable) Horror on the Hill ~Comment
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and still- the hints in round 1 and round 8 were pretty leading toward the Lurker's Party- and by Round 8 only NM was still around...
Just curious WHY did people vote like they did?
(thanks to the people who already explained)
In my story, making the connections between the chapters was VERY important. Especially between Rounds 5/6 because that set up a lot of people to be 'fall guys': Zopperoni, etc.
And frankly, in round 8 I don't see why duke was suspected- he was left alone wiht Spaced Cowboy, but honestly- that only gave both of them alibis for vovan's death!
and once again, I did this twice:
GJ and NM mentioned in the same sentence but GJ is the only one to actually DO anything implicates NM TWICE because as the killer why would he point anything out and... he is continually mentioned as silent- and so is the killer- very short of words.Nuclear Master and GJ Ramsey found him hours later, when GJ started to wonder where their Presidential Candidate had wandered off to.
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i didnt see one clue... it was all so well hidden in the story.. which shows hoe clever you are, however it doesnt leave much room for us to look for clues....Originally posted by DarkCloud
It didn't seem as though anyone was even trying with this story though.
people posted maybe 2 clues.
Imran was the only one who seemd to be making an effort.
There was no discussion.
all the voters kept their reasons to themselves.
that's why they lost this game.
Everyone was too lazy and no one tried.
There was no discussion.GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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True enough, that's what happened to me in the Nascar game.. But it helps everyone more than the option of keeping things secret. and makes the game more interesting.And pointing out the wrong clues more often than not gets you dead. Not from the assassin, but from the villagers. It happened to me in the last game, and it happens to ljcvetko in almost every game he plays.
You only became a prime fall-guy suspect when the other secretariat was killed.You amost got killed at the beginning, if you recall.
But only one or two people mentioned paper in connection with the killer, and you would think that a secretariat would be more guilty-looking by association than a speechwriter
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didnt even notice any relvance of that line till after you say NM is guilty... Again mopst opf your clues with hindsioght are obvious, but none appear as clues without knowing who you writing aboutOriginally posted by DarkCloud
and still- the hints in round 1 and round 8 were pretty leading toward the Lurker's Party- and by Round 8 only NM was still around...
Just curious WHY did people vote like they did?
(thanks to the people who already explained)
In my story, making the connections between the chapters was VERY important. Especially between Rounds 5/6 because that set up a lot of people to be 'fall guys': Zopperoni, etc.
And frankly, in round 8 I don't see why duke was suspected- he was left alone wiht Spaced Cowboy, but honestly- that only gave both of them alibis for vovan's death!
and once again, I did this twice:
GJ and NM mentioned in the same sentence but GJ is the only one to actually DO anything implicates NM TWICE because as the killer why would he point anything out and... he is continually mentioned as silent- and so is the killer- very short of words.
GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71Comment
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a lot of the story made perfect alibis for people- just like in assassins II- octavian and Spaced Cowboy COULDNT have killed anyone- and yet they received votes...
And chaunk had an alibi, and yet he received a vote or two the round after it was apparent he couldn't have done it.
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It's keeping a tally list of who does what when and where that'll save you.
the games I run work a lot like the Logic Puzzles you'll find in WORD GAMES/CROSSWORDS books... I love logic puzzles
For example:
"If dan and mary and sue are going to college and dartmouth, cambridge, and norfolk are their colleges and dan can't go to dartmouth, and mary is going to cambridge, where are they all going?"-->Visit CGN!
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