Galactic Overlord - Game Thread

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...in the 31st century, breakthroughs in bioengineering have led to the Skank Empire's creation of the galaxy's first organic shield generator...

[Ljube]

How many spies/shield generators can I have stockpiled?

If many, can I use several spies in a single turn?

[Jamski]

Yes. That's the advantage of spies. You can stockpile them in peacetime. The other advantage is that they stop an opponent rebuilding his shield or training his own spies...

-Jam

[Ljube]

So, only one shield then? No shield generators stockpile?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Jamski

The problem is a rotation in the order of battle produces exactly the same results, so a complete destruction of fleets seems to be quite a frequent occurance.

I'm not sure what you mean, but yes, fleet destruction is not so unlikely. A different OoB would have helped you...

What I meant was this. Consider laser-fighter-torpedo. If you rotate that once, you get torpedo-laser-fighter. The second sequence completely destroys the first one. It's likely that these sorts of sequences occur a lot, thus causing destruction of entire fleets, which should not occur that often, when both fleets are roughly the same size.

As for my other point (you seem to be avoiding it Jamski ), consider a very simple example. Pit two lineups of 3 ships fo the same size, say, battleships, at each other. One side has one of each, while the other side has 3 of the same. If you use my suggestion to resolve the combat, no matter how the OoBs are, you always end up with 1 win, 1 draw, and 1 lose for both sides, which makes perfect sense. If we use the original interpretation, the side with 3 of the same will automatically lose 2 ships, 3 if he's unlucky, which is very silly.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Can I convert my spy into a shield generator?

[Jamski]

Its a game UR. It uses abstractions.

Pit two lineups of 3 ships fo the same size, say, battleships, at each other. One side has one of each, while the other side has 3 of the same. If you use my suggestion to resolve the combat, no matter how the OoBs are, you always end up with 1 win, 1 draw, and 1 lose for both sides, which makes perfect sense. If we use the original interpretation, the side with 3 of the same will automatically lose 2 ships, 3 if he's unlucky, which is very silly.

Nice point... it illustrates the tactical blunder you made. A fleet all of one type is very vunerable.

/me hits Skanky with a fish *

-Jam

[Ljube]

Right now, as it stands, the combat system in Galactic Overlord is sheer luck and is likely going to have to undergo a process of deep revision.

[Vlad Antlerkov]

Agreed. Unfortunately, I can't think of any real solutions right now.

Orders sent.

[Jamski]

Its like Gladiator - a combination of luck, second guessing and psycology, within a strategic framework. The way to win combats is to build your fleet to weigh luck your way a bit...

However, I think next round I will make the fleet lists public. That makes it more strategic - plan your attack by looking at what you're likely to face.

-Jam

[DrSpike]

Hehe sent.

Btw I wonder if just giving everything (ie the shields and spies as well) a build cost would make the game more elegant. It would also make it even more distinct from NW.

[Jamski]

Btw I wonder if just giving everything (ie the shields and spies as well) a build cost would make the game more elegant. It would also make it even more distinct from NW.

That could work, Doc... but there will be no rules changes in the middle of a round 6 players from 9 have aready sent their orders for. (Athough I still don't have Ludd's)

Proposed costs :
Shield Generator - 1 x number bases currently owned.
Spy - 3

-Jam

[Ljube]

And fleet maintenance will also have to be introduced. Though I'd reserve these profound changes for the next game.

And please Jam, don't ignore my questions. Can I stockpile shield generators?

And another question. What if my defensive fleet was obliterated, but I sent some ships attacking and they were victorious. Do I still lose all of my bases or just one?

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Jamski
Proposed costs :
Shield Generator - 1 x number bases currently owned.

It would have to have additional restrictions. Otherwise you would be invulnerable and have 4 x base worth of production each turn.

I have to hand it to you though, this game is really good. Ironing out the rules will of course be problematic but overall I have to give this a significant

[Spaced Cowboy]

Perhaps you have hit upon a solution.

Total build points of attacker's fleet versus TBP of defenders fleet split into three categories.

ADP

Or....

We could incorporate a ship design system that has unchangeable ADPH attack-defense-power-hits picks that are made when the ship is built out of a pool for that ship class. For instance you could make a 1-1-1-1 frigate cuz the frigate gives you 4 point to distribute, or a 1-0-2-1, then say 9 points for the crusier, 15 for the battleship, 22 for the dreadnought and 30 for the titan. They would still cost the same amount of BPs and we could take HP out of the equation and make then static.

or....

We could build our ships with long range and short range options. Here there is no power rating and the same number is used for both offensive and defensive options. Hence we could have 1-4 LR-SR titans (with 5 hp). Long range combat is executed first, damage taken, then short range combat. The key is that .... hmmm this idea does not seem to be working at the moment without getting more complicated. I was trying to figure out a way to make SR combat more effective like doubling the attack factors....but that seems too much of an advantage. Maybe a 50% bonus...but then the GM has to do a lot of maths.


Okay my head hurts now...see what you did!