Apolyton CTP2 Edition: Revision 990 (01-Jun-2009)

[Maquiladora]

Well, that's a long story...

Interesting. Glad you found us.

I did some checking again on this, using the "1 gold per unit" rule, and it claims that I'm paying out 1245 gold per turn in wages(my GNP is 900). However, I am still producing science and putting away gold into my savings. I think it's probably just a display issue.

Last time I checked none of those gold per unit/city costs were shown/added in the empire manager. Showing more info in the empire manager is one of the things I want to do in the future too. After the existing figures are fixed.

So my question is: when you load s game saved from a mod, does it reload all of the mod settings too?

As far as I know the settings for a saved game are stored and loaded from the save file. But it could be that some aren't reloaded. It obviously isn't reloading the great library though, only when you load the scenario is the scenario's specific great library used. This is just another part of the scenario structure and loading save games that needs fixing. The AE Mod is playable from start to finish though, since the slic scripts and other game files will be stored in the save file.

[Maquiladora]

That's just equal to the production hunger, right?

In some cases the gold hunger is far higher. I think gold hunger should be at most half the production support (shield hunger), since there is far less gold around.

[EPW]

In some cases the gold hunger is far higher. I think gold hunger should be at most half the production support (shield hunger), since there is far less gold around.

It appears you are correct for the most part. There are exceptions though.

 
 
 
 

  
Units Name
  
ShieldHunger
  
GoldHunger
 
 

  
UNIT_ABOLITIONIST
  
5
  
5
 
 

  
UNIT_AIRCRAFT_CARRIER
  
30
  
150
 
 

  
UNIT_ARCHER
  
1
  
1
 
 

  
UNIT_ARTILLERY
  
15
  
30
 
 

  
UNIT_BATTLESHIP
  
35
  
150
 
 

  
UNIT_BOMBER
  
22
  
50
 
 

  
UNIT_CANNON
  
12
  
20
 
 

  
UNIT_CARAVAN
  
0
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_CARGO_HELICOPTER
  
15
  
45
 
 

  
UNIT_CARRACK
  
9
  
15
 
 

  
UNIT_CATAMARAN
  
2
  
5
 
 

  
UNIT_CATAPULT
  
8
  
16
 
 

  
UNIT_CAVALRY
  
12
  
15
 
 

  
UNIT_CITY
  
0
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_CLERIC
  
5
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_CORPORATE_BRANCH
  
15
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_CRAWLER
  
38
  
200
 
 

  
UNIT_CRUISE_MISSILE
  
20
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_CYBER_NINJA
  
25
  
100
 
 

  
UNIT_DESTROYER
  
22
  
60
 
 

  
UNIT_DIPLOMAT
  
4
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_DREADNAUGHT
  
60
  
180
 
 

  
UNIT_ECO_RANGER
  
40
  
5
 
 

  
UNIT_ECO_TERRORIST
  
35
  
25
 
 

  
UNIT_EMPATHIC_DIPLOMAT
  
15
  
25
 
 

  
UNIT_FASCIST
  
10
  
20
 
 

  
UNIT_FIGHTER
  
10
  
30
 
 

  
UNIT_FIRE_TRIREME
  
5
  
10
 
 

  
UNIT_FRIGATE
  
20
  
45
 
 

  
UNIT_FUSION_TANK
  
50
  
130
 
 

  
UNIT_HOPLITE
  
1
  
1
 
 

  
UNIT_HOVER_INFANTRY
  
25
  
50
 
 

  
UNIT_INFANTRYMAN
  
10
  
15
 
 

  
UNIT_INFECTOR
  
30
  
100
 
 

  
UNIT_INTERCEPTOR
  
25
  
65
 
 

  
UNIT_IRONCLAD
  
15
  
30
 
 

  
UNIT_KNIGHT
  
8
  
16
 
 

  
UNIT_KRAKEN
  
45
  
210
 
 

  
UNIT_LAWYER
  
15
  
100
 
 

  
UNIT_LEVIATHON
  
100
  
250
 
 

  
UNIT_LONGSHIP
  
6
  
6
 
 

  
UNIT_MACHINE_GUNNER
  
12
  
20
 
 

  
UNIT_MARINE
  
14
  
14
 
 

  
UNIT_MOBILE_SAM
  
20
  
40
 
 

  
UNIT_MOREY_STRIKER
  
35
  
70
 
 

  
UNIT_MOUNTED_ARCHER
  
3
  
3
 
 

  
UNIT_NUCLEAR_SUBMARINE
  
18
  
50
 
 

  
UNIT_NUKE
  
50
  
50
 
 

  
UNIT_OCEAN_CITY
  
0
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_PARATROOPER
  
14
  
28
 
 

  
UNIT_PIKEMEN
  
4
  
4
 
 

  
UNIT_PLASMA_DESTROYER
  
45
  
100
 
 

  
UNIT_SCOUT_SUB
  
25
  
75
 
 

  
UNIT_SEA_ENGINEER
  
25
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_SETTLER
  
0
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_SHIP_OF_THE_LINE
  
12
  
30
 
 

  
UNIT_SLAVER
  
5
  
7
 
 

  
UNIT_SPACE_CITY
  
0
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_SPACE_PLANE
  
25
  
100
 
 

  
UNIT_SPY
  
8
  
16
 
 

  
UNIT_SPY_PLANE
  
30
  
90
 
 

  
UNIT_STEALTH_BOMBER
  
35
  
90
 
 

  
UNIT_STEALTH_FIGHTER
  
30
  
75
 
 

  
UNIT_SUBMARINE
  
12
  
40
 
 

  
UNIT_SWORDSMAN
  
5
  
3
 
 

  
UNIT_TANK
  
20
  
40
 
 

  
UNIT_TELEVANGELIST
  
12
  
100
 
 

  
UNIT_TROOP_SHIP
  
12
  
20
 
 

  
UNIT_URBAN_PLANNER
  
12
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_WAR_WALKER
  
35
  
90
 
 

  
UNIT_WARRIOR
  
1
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_Z_FREIGHT_TRANSPORT
  
0
  
0
 
 

  
UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
  
3
  
5
 
 

  
UNIT_ELEPHANT_WARRIOR
  
10
  
15
 
 
 

  

  

  

 
 

[Maquiladora]

It appears you are correct for the most part. There are exceptions though.

Stop showing off with your new program (actually it's quite useful, I could use it on the strategy website, if I could be bothered to update it).

[EPW]

Whoever decided on the goldhunger values sure didn't like convert units.

[Ekmek]

Hey! I did goldhunger! It was fairly based on productionhunger but I upped some special units. BUt goldhunger wasnt the values alone it also factored in your wages and govt IIRC


PS welcome Hans. Please stick around!

[Hans Lemurson]

My current empire wages are listed at 2,000. My income is listed as -900, and I am making a surplus of 130 gold and 200 science.

For now, I'm not gonna be using the gold-hunger option.


Oh, I do have a suggestion though: Would it be possible to see the tech-tree for the advance you are researching in the tech window? As is, to see what concrete gives me, when I have it selected, I have to click on the "Arena" link to get to the GL, then click on the "Concrete" link as its pre-requisite to get to the tech, and then on the tech-tree tab. There really oughta be a smoother way of doing this.

[Maquiladora]

Oh, I do have a suggestion though: Would it be possible to see the tech-tree for the advance you are researching in the tech window? As is, to see what concrete gives me, when I have it selected, I have to click on the "Arena" link to get to the GL, then click on the "Concrete" link as its pre-requisite to get to the tech, and then on the tech-tree tab. There really oughta be a smoother way of doing this.

It should be fairly easy to show the branch from the "tech tree" tab of the great library. Either above or below (easier) the list of advances already researched, what would look best?

It would by default have your current research target in the branch section shown, but you can navigate around it like the great library one. Another option is to change the branch when you select advances already researched. Not sure how difficult this part will be though.

[Hans Lemurson]

Position it wherever it is easiest to code. When you click on a tech to research, that tech should be shown as the branch. The tree would be navigable (as you said) just like in the great library. You can browse the tree freely, but when you click on another tech-research choice, the viewed branch would change to that.

[Maquiladora]

Hmm, I was assuming you meant in the science manager, but maybe you meant in the research window (the one that pops up when you just researched something)?

The science manager also needs a redesign, but I think the tech tree would be most useful when you're choosing your next advance target, like you say.

[EPW]

Ideally, someone would implement a civ3/4 style tech tree display.

[Hans Lemurson]

Yeah, that's what I meant. You could do both though; screen-space is much less of an issue with modern resolutions.

[Maquiladora]

Ideally, someone would implement a civ3/4 style tech tree display.

How is that?

[EPW]

I'm sure you have played at least one of those games before.

[Maquiladora]

Yeah, that's what I meant. You could do both though; screen-space is much less of an issue with modern resolutions.

It needs to fit on at least 800*600 as that's still our minimum.

The biggest window in-game can be 800*558 IIRC, which is the same size as the great library. Perhaps a separate tab in the great library, or in the science manager that uses the whole window could display the tech tree.