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Unfortunately there wasn't a whole lot of actual Source Code related discussion, but FWIW here's the chat log of yesterday's chat. I left out about 20 minutes worth of BSG-related discussion towards the end, but there's still about 15 minutes of it left so it's not like you're missing anything 
[21:52] <Dale> Hey hey!
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[21:52] <PeteT> Hi, Dale. Can you see this?
[21:54] <ACS_Solver> Hi Dale
[21:54] <Dale> Pete: Nope, can't see it.
[21:54] <maq> hi all
[21:54] <ACS_Solver> Okay, looks like I'll miss the official start
[21:54] <ACS_Solver> Oh well
[21:54] <Dale> Y
[21:55] <PeteT> Well, I didn't see your reply either.
[21:55] <ACS_Solver> Locutus, how many others you adertised this to?
[21:55] <maq> theres already more here than i expected
[21:55] <ACS_Solver> More here than we had for the birthday chat
[21:55] <ACS_Solver> Apolyton birthday, I mean
[21:55] <PeteT> Is Ben still chatting?
[21:56] <maq> who cares about apolyton anyway?
[21:56] <ACS_Solver> Yeah, just old gits over there
[21:57] <Dale> or trolls
[21:57] <ACS_Solver> Or Civ4 testers, those are the worst there are...
[21:57] <ACS_Solver>
[21:57] <maq> civ4 was tested?
[21:57] * Dale isn't a civ4 tester
[21:58] <maq> j/k BTW
[21:59] <ACS_Solver> Mooooo
[22:00] * Dale gets a cattle prod
[22:00] * ACS_Solver runs
[22:00] <ACS_Solver> Oh, wait, I'm an op
[22:01] <Dale> uh oh
[22:01] <Dale>
[22:01] <ACS_Solver> Wouter, get your lazy ass out of Audacity, it's the official start now!
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[22:02] * ACS_Locutus|sound_editing is now known as ACS_Locutus
[22:03] * ACS_Locutus changes topic to '28-10-2006: 3 Year Anniversary of the CtP2 Source Code Release -- Birthday Chat NOW!!'
[22:03] <ACS_Locutus> well, I said I might be late...
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[22:03] <ACS_Locutus> good evening all
[22:03] <maq> afternoon
[22:03] <Dale> morning
[22:04] <ACS_Locutus> good crowd, I guess my name still carries some clout
[22:05] <ACS_Locutus> and of course sending out 50 PMs also helps
[22:05] <maq> good job
[22:06] <Pave> indeed
[22:06] <ACS_Locutus> well, I know from past chats 10 PM ~= 1 active participant, so better send out a fair few
[22:06] <Dale> did anyone get onto stan?
[22:06] <maq> yep, i'd consider this a good turn out
[22:07] <ACS_Locutus> I PMed Stan and he read the PM, but hasn't responded...
[22:08] <maq> too busy with aom4 i guess?
[22:08] <Dale> i thought it was out
[22:08] <ACS_Locutus> I guess...
[22:08] <Pave> it is
[22:08] <maq> theres some bugs that remian from what ive read
[22:08] <ACS_Locutus> it is? when did that happen?
[22:09] <maq> havent played it myself yet, since im on dialup again
[22:09] <maq> a couple of days ago
[22:09] <maq> probably worthy of a news item...
[22:09] <ACS_Locutus> ahh... well, I should post a news item about that...
[22:09] <maq>
[22:09] <ACS_Locutus> there was no thread about it...
[22:09] <ACS_Locutus> unless I missed it
[22:10] <Dale> announced at aom hq
[22:10] <ACS_Locutus> been having trouble accesssing that, dunno what that's about...
[22:10] <Dale> it doesn't like ya
[22:11] <Dale> i don't like ya either
[22:11] <ACS_Locutus> :cries:
[22:11] <ACS_Locutus> damn aussies
[22:11] <Dale> lol
[22:12] <maq> wheres IW and Peter, did they leave already?
[22:12] <ACS_Locutus> IW said he'd be online all night but not necesarily on his PC
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[22:12] <ACS_Locutus> dunno about Peter
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[22:13] <maq> suppose idling is better than absent
[22:13] <ACS_Locutus> makes the contact list look more impressive
[22:13] <ACS_Locutus> or whatever its called in mirc...
[22:14] <maq> shame Martin G, E, and fromafar arent here, considering theyre the only people doing anything to the code ATM
[22:14] <ACS_Locutus> indeed...
[22:14] <maq> may be others
[22:14] <ACS_Locutus> well, John a little I think, but they were the big three
[22:15] <ACS_Locutus> are
[22:15] <maq> ideally i'd like to know their plans, afterall the project would be dead without them
[22:15] <PeteT> I'm still here but there's a (CFL) football game on in the next room and I keep running back and forth
[22:15] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, that'd be nice to hear more about
[22:15] <ACS_Locutus> that's why you should have a TV and PC in the same room like me, I'm watching footie ATM as well
[22:16] <maq> CFL, is that proper football?
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[22:16] <ACS_Locutus> it's barely a sport
[22:16] <Dale> nothin' to watch here at 7:15am, except televangilists on satellite delay from USA, shopping network or kids cartoons
[22:16] <ari> .
[22:17] <PeteT> Canadian football, iirc, it's what American football descended from
[22:17] <maq> i guess its very similar then? not for me
[22:18] <maq> having said that a lot of real football can be god awful boring sometimes
[22:18] <PeteT> What, you don't like turn based strategy?
[22:18] <maq> not with commercials
[22:19] <ACS_Locutus> I actually the like strategic aspects of NFL. it ain't no real footie or rugby and all the breaks every freaking 30 seconds are annoying, but it's a very intelligent sport...
[22:19] <ACS_Locutus> american football is no different...
[22:19] <ACS_Locutus> (re: boring)
[22:21] <ACS_Locutus> so, maq, what's up with you? you living in the US now or something?
[22:21] <PeteT> Boring is relative. I can remember listening to Cricket *on the radio* and liking it
[22:21] <maq> im living in mexico, monterrey to be specific
[22:21] <ACS_Locutus> I like all British sports, but I will never get cricket... then again, I suspect that's the point...
[22:22] <ACS_Locutus>
[22:22] <ACS_Locutus> permanently? or a internship thing or something?
[22:22] <PeteT> Monterey! sounds neat.
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[22:22] <maq> yep, im sitting right under a ceiling fan as i type
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[22:22] <maq> just visiting some friends, dont know for how long
[22:22] <ACS_Locutus> okay, not so cool then
[22:23] <ACS_Locutus> *jealous*
[22:23] <maq> if i end up getting a job here they'll fasttrack a work visa and i can stay permanently
[22:24] <maq> not seen a lot of the rest of mx yet, but i intend to
[22:24] <ACS_Locutus> well, that should keep you busy for a while
[22:26] <maq> yep, it should take me a while to get around to everything, considering i dont have a lot of throw-away money
[22:26] <ACS_Locutus> I guess that's where the job comes in...
[22:26] <maq> aye
[22:27] <maq> when its too hot to go outside i spend the time messing with civ4 or ctp2
[22:28] <ACS_Locutus> so you do have civ4?
[22:28] <maq> yep and warlords
[22:28] <maq> but havent played a lot of warlords yet
[22:28] <Dale> neither have i since release
[22:29] <ACS_Locutus> cool, so much for my conception that the only people left in the ctp2 community were people with ancient PCs...
[22:29] <Dale> not straight wl, mostly been doing mods
[22:29] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, same here
[22:29] <ACS_Locutus> not a lot of warlords that is, also not been doing too many mods
[22:29] <maq> well im probably at the lower end but i can run it fine on standard maps
[22:31] <maq> i want to move onto civ4 modding but it seems very daunting, especially as it took me so long to learn the ins and outs of ctp2
[22:31] <ACS_Locutus> I'm probably in the same situation right now. my video card broke down this week, so I'm back to my trusty old mx440
[22:32] <ACS_Locutus> dunno, I find it very easy but I guess I never had too much trouble with ctp either...
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[22:32] <maq> not that i was determined to learn ctp2 from day one, but its what im used to now
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[22:32] <Dale> maq it's pretty easy once you learn where stuff is to change ie xml, python or dll
[22:33] <maq> im especially interested in new units, the xml seems simple enough
[22:33] <PeteT> If you have some basic c++, I think that civ4 is easier because you can see right from the beginning what's going on
[22:34] <maq> well even SLIC certainly isnt simple for me
[22:34] <ACS_Locutus> you don't need any particular knowledge to get xml, which is powerful enough for a lot of people...
[22:34] <ACS_Solver> Civ4 is also pretty easy if you don't know C++. You can do lots in python, and learning some basics of that is easy
[22:35] <maq> yep, i suppose once theres more examples of python i can easily borrow from that
[22:36] <ACS_Solver> Actually there are some good examples if you look at the mods that shipped with the game
[22:36] <Dale> hey everyone say hi to blake, he just woke up
[22:36] <maq> are there are big mods out from the community yet?
[22:37] <ACS_Locutus> you mean he can already read?
[22:37] <ACS_Solver> None of them really stretch Python to the limit, I don't think so, but you can certainly learn some basic events and some more complex stuff, too
[22:37] <ACS_Solver> Hi little Aussie settler
[22:37] <maq> :waves:
[22:37] <Dale> lol no he can't ready yet
[22:37] <PeteT> I'm not a big Python fan, but it is much easier to learn than SLIC was
[22:37] <ACS_Solver> There are a few big mods over at CFC. Rule-change mods, and mods with custom scenarios. I can't say I know too much about them, though.
[22:38] <Dale> yeah there's heaps at cfc
[22:38] <Dale> someone was working on a ctp2 mod for civ4, but havent heard anything of that in months
[22:38] <maq> what happened to apolyton on the civ4 front?
[22:38] <ACS_Locutus> it's easy to read but quite hard to learn, damn syntax is evil. but it *is* a fantastic language once you get the ropes of it
[22:38] <Dale> they wanted to use my combat mod
[22:38] <ACS_Locutus> just that damn syntax...
[22:38] <Dale> i prefer doing it direct in the sdk
[22:39] <maq> is it anyone we know working on a ctp2 mod?
[22:39] <PeteT> You mean it's not the same Blake who's doing that AI coding for Civ4. I thought you were training him up
[22:39] <ACS_Locutus>
[22:39] <ACS_Solver> Which syntax would you mean, Loc?
[22:39] <ACS_Locutus> python
[22:39] <ACS_Solver> Dale: SDK just isn't an option for everyone
[22:40] <ACS_Solver> Meh, Python synthax is much more readable to guys who have never seen a line of code before.
[22:40] <Dale> solver: if you cant use the sdk, you aint a real modder.
[22:40] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, but mistake a space for a tab and your code suddenly has 100% different meaning and you spend 3 weeks tracking down the error in vain...
[22:40] <ACS_Solver> Ahh but wasn't the point of Civ4 to let non-real modders mod?
[22:41] <Dale> no, the point was less mods better quality remember!
[22:41] <Dale> soren went on for ages about that
[22:41] <ACS_Solver> Just use a decent text editor. You're not going to say that something like std::map<int, *CvUnit>::iterator it wouldn't scare people who haven't seen a thing before?
[22:41] <Dale> lol true
[22:42] <ACS_Solver> I remember Soren truly believed Civ4 would change modding, looks like he was right about that, so many people jumping in
[22:42] <ACS_Locutus> even in the best of text editors a space is sometimes indistinguishable from a tab
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[22:43] <ACS_Locutus> and not having to declare variables is another nightmare: one typo again can change your code completely and is a major pain in the butt to track down.
[22:43] <Dale> i only use tabs for comments, so i don't have that problem
[22:43] <Dale> that one i must agree especially since icount and iCount are different.
[22:44] <Dale> used to catch me out at uni all the time
[22:44] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, but newbies frequently take other people's code and edit it, so you get different styles of layouting in the same file.. that's just begging for trouble...
[22:44] <ACS_Solver> Variable name typos suck, yeah. But a decent dev environment should also warn about that
[22:44] <ACS_Solver> I like IDLE
[22:44] <ACS_Solver> Haven't used it for Civ4 admittedly, but have for some other Python coding, and it's very nice
[22:44] <Dale> notepad is for REAL men! hahahahahaha
[22:45] <ACS_Locutus> newbs typically use notepad or similar... and frankly I prefer EditPlus too...
[22:45] <ACS_Solver> No, vi is for real men
[22:45] <Dale> pfffft
[22:45] <Dale> i actually use IDLE.
[22:45] <ACS_Locutus> pah, edlin is teh r0x0r
[22:45] <ACS_Solver>
[22:46] <ACS_Solver> Don't tell me you remember that one
[22:46] <ACS_Locutus> remember? I still have freaking nightmares about that one
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[22:47] <ACS_Solver> What did they do to you Wouter, Cobol coding through edlin in elementary school?
[22:47] * Dale shudders at that thought
[22:47] <Dale> that's scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:47] <ACS_Locutus> but this discussion is getting a bit esoteric
[22:47] <Chariot> eek! there are people here!
[22:47] * Chariot hides
[22:48] <ACS_Solver> What, you mean there are people who have never used edlin nor vi?
[22:49] <ACS_Locutus> I'm willing to bet good money that there are
[22:50] <ari> eek! there are edlin uders here!
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[22:50] <ari> *users
[22:50] <Dale> lol
[22:50] <ari> To be exact, /me hides behind the large body of emacs
[22:50] <ACS_Solver> Former users, more like
[22:50] <ACS_Solver> I hope
[22:50] <PeteT> What do you guys think of Python compared to SLIC?
[22:50] <Dale> former here
[22:50] <ACS_Solver> Maybe Wouter still uses edlin for all his work
[22:50] <ACS_Locutus> I'm very happy to say that's *former* edlin users
[22:51] <ari> ed, man! !man ed
[22:51] <Dale> pete: its not fair to compare the two, as python is a full language. slic was just a game script
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[22:51] <ACS_Locutus> Python runs circles around SLIC! way, way, way better. I mean, one word: list comprehension
[22:51] <Dale> shhhhhh......... the boss is here!
[22:51] <ACS_DanQ>
[22:51] <ACS_Solver> What Dale says pretty much, not like Python was made for Civ4
[22:51] <ACS_Solver> Hi Dan
[22:51] <ACS_DanQ> Hi Solver, Gramphos, Locutus.
[22:51] <ACS_Locutus> oh boy, let the monologuing begin
[22:51] <ACS_DanQ> And all!
[22:51] <Dale> hey dan
[22:51] <Dale>
[22:51] <ACS_DanQ> Hi Dale.
[22:52] <ACS_Solver> Loc, why couldn't you keep list comprehension out of it?
[22:52] <ACS_Solver> I know you have a fetish for everything functional programming, but still
[22:52] <ACS_Locutus> because func prog is teh r0x0rs! for real, this time
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[22:52] <ACS_Solver> And how much of it necessarily applies to Civ4?
[22:52] <Dale> i bet loc screamed like ned flanders when he saw list compression lol
[22:53] <ACS_Locutus> who *doesn't* want to be able to summarise 20-30 lines of code in 1 command
[22:53] <ACS_Solver> I bet it was only implemented in Python to stop him from nagging
[22:53] <ACS_Solver> Uhmm, people who aren't good at all with math?
[22:53] <Dale> rofl
[22:53] <ACS_Locutus> those aren't real people
[22:53] <ACS_Locutus> just look at Dan
[22:53] <ari> ACS_Locutus: If terseness really was all that essential they'd have chosen Perl
[22:54] <ACS_Locutus> but they still wanted the code to be remotely readable
[22:54] <ari> However, since they actually want someone to understand the code they've written, Python was the better choice
[22:55] <ACS_DanQ> Locutus... you math-types need the English language to be able to explain and interpret your math, so...
[22:55] <ACS_Locutus> me speak english good also
[22:56] <ACS_Solver> No, we only need it so you folks can understand our infinite wisdom
[22:56] <Dale> maths is the universal language, don't need engrish
[22:56] <ACS_Solver> Didn't you know that Wouter and I privately talk in code, not English?
[22:56] <Dale> 10000101000111000
[22:56] <Dale> stuff code, talk binary!
[22:57] <ACS_Locutus> much more efficient for sure
[22:57] <ACS_Solver> Can't do, Locutus's conduits may overload
[22:58] <ari> But we *are* talking in binary
[22:58] <ari> Specifically, it seems I'm talking iso-8859-15, but that's just because VJ, who occasionally shows up in this channel, has a dumb client that can't deal with utf-8
[22:59] <ACS_DanQ> Oooo, I can talk in code too! This is Dale the next time he tries to login to his forum account:
[23:00] <Dale> lol
[23:00] <Dale> i could just dl....... Dale2
[23:00] <ACS_Locutus>
[23:01] <ACS_DanQ> You can scratch "Dale2" off your list of DLs now that I know to be watching for it...
[23:01] <ACS_Locutus> using firaxis in-jokes around the little people is not very considerate of you, Dale
[23:02] <ACS_Solver> Yes it is Loc
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[23:02] <Dale> hehehehe.
[23:03] <ACS_Locutus> aaaaannyyyway, getting a little far off topic here. maq, you still here? how's your scenario coming?
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[23:03] <ACS_Solver> There was a topic?
[23:04] <ACS_DanQ> Glad I was able to check-in. Congrats to the CtPII community celebrating three years since the source cod release. Keep up the good work, one and all, and enjoy the rest of your chat.
[23:04] <ACS_DanQ> hehehe
[23:04] <ACS_DanQ> source codE
[23:05] <ACS_DanQ> Keep on Civ'in!
[23:05] <ACS_Locutus> CU, nice of you to drop by...
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[23:06] <ACS_Locutus> I guess we scared off maq with all the code and math talk
[23:06] <ACS_Solver> Now that he's gone, we can go back to Canada-bashing
[23:06] <ACS_Locutus> don't worry, we did enough Canada bashing for at least a week or two tonight in PolyCast
[23:07] <Dale> hey how many have dl'ed that?
[23:07] <maq> nope still here
[23:07] <ACS_Solver> Don't mention it, you haven't even invited me for an interview
[23:07] <ACS_Locutus> well, you tell me, you told all your friends you were on the show or something?
[23:08] <ACS_Locutus> had like 800 'downloads' in a few hours time, all from Australia earlier this week
[23:08] <Dale> lol
[23:08] <Dale> actually i didn't
[23:08] <ACS_Locutus> unfortunately they were all only like 1kb...
[23:08] <Dale> i don't have friends, i live online
[23:08] <ACS_Solver> And I'm sure my friends would appreciate a chance NOT to hear me blabbering
[23:09] <ACS_Locutus> like you have any
[23:09] <ACS_Solver> As you well know, I have more than you, geek
[23:09] <ACS_Locutus> dream on, baby, dream on
[23:10] <ACS_Solver> Just because you leave your PC once a week doesn't mean that I do so
[23:10] <Dale> loc has his 5 desktop dancers to talk to, and desktop elvis. how many have you got solver?
[23:11] <ACS_Solver> I've got dozens and dozens of characters in all the BSG and X-Files episodes I keep here
[23:11] <ACS_Locutus> you do realise I can ban people too?
[23:12] <ACS_Solver> You do realise tha I'm quicker than you?
[23:12] <ACS_Locutus> you do realise I outrank you?
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[23:12] <ACS_Solver> No I don't, get back to work Deckhand
[23:13] <Dale> brb
[23:13] <ACS_Locutus> no, denial is not just a river in egypt
[23:14] <ACS_Solver> And a conscience isn't just a myth, but you wouldn't know that
[23:15] <ACS_Locutus> indeed I do! con-science is a very useful branch science if you're trying to break into a safe
[23:16] <ACS_Solver> I thought the only place you ever tried to break into was the girl's locker room back in school, right after those horrible edline assignements
[23:16] <ACS_Locutus> what do you mean tried?
[23:17] <ACS_Solver> Obviously you couldn't have been successful
[23:17] <ACS_Locutus> how do you know?
[23:18] <ACS_Solver> Because it's you, you can't be successful by definition
[23:18] <ACS_Locutus> yet I outrank you
[23:18] <ACS_Solver> Delusional. I've always been saying the Dutch need to restrict pot usage
[23:19] <ACS_Locutus> pot, meet kettle.
[23:19] <ACS_Solver> And the birthday chat's highlight was, of course, also our fight
[23:20] <ACS_Locutus> hey, good traditions are not what they are by coincidence
[23:20] <ACS_Solver> Don't even think about it
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[23:25] <Gawd> why so many folks in here right now
[23:25] <ACS_Locutus> see topic
[23:25] <Gawd> all CTPers in here now then?
[23:25] <ACS_Locutus> anyway, maq, you still here? how's your red front conversion coming along?
[23:25] <ACS_Locutus> not all, but the rest are pretty much idlers
[23:26] <Chariot> <--- idler AND player of ctp :P
[23:27] <ACS_Solver> Oooh, Loc pretending to know something about what's going on in the CtP front
[23:27] <maq> Loc: it just needs an AI, and a lot of SLIC. the etc is all done
[23:27] <maq> the map and placings*
[23:27] <ACS_Locutus> solv, contrary to some I actually keep tabs on more than one game at a time
[23:28] <ACS_Solver> As you well know, I knew about the chat before you sent me a PM too
[23:28] <ACS_Locutus> soo, basically you just have the text files done? any idea when you'll have a playable version? this is one ctp2 probject I'm actually looking forward to...
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[23:29] <maq> its playable now, but the AI doesnt blitzkreig and keep going...
[23:29] * alksdfj is now known as Trip
[23:30] <maq> also unless someone chips in with the SLIC it'll be severely lacking events from the original red front
[23:31] <maq> which is why if i intend to mod civ4 i'll stick to units
[23:31] <Trip> but you can do so much
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[23:32] <ACS_Locutus> well, don't look at me... but yeah, that's definitely something that'll need to be added for it to be a proper conversion (though even without, it's not like we're flooded with ww2 scenarios at the momnent...)
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[23:32] * Trip waves at Settler
[23:33] <Trip> you guys converting something from CTP to Civ?
[23:33] <maq> TBH ive spent a lot of time trying to do everything at once, if i start another project it'll be as a team
[23:33] <ACS_Locutus> if you guys would stop bugging me with work for the xps I might
[23:33] <Dale> hey I did my bit, i got combat converted
[23:34] <Trip> haha
[23:34] <Trip> it's for the greater good
[23:34] <maq> public works?
[23:34] <ACS_Solver> Which reminds me... people, won't you TEST what others are doing!
[23:35] <ACS_Solver> Of course none of the people I should be shouting that to are actually here...
[23:35] <ACS_Locutus> hmmm, this has got to be a first though, a firaxis celebrity in a CtP chat
[23:36] <Trip> hey, I played CTP before
[23:36] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, a public works mod would be good, that's the one major feature from ctp2 that's completely absent from civ4 now
[23:37] <ACS_Solver> Who's a celebrity, this no-longer hairy punk?
[23:37] <ACS_Locutus> so has Soren, but I've yet to see him make an appearance in any CtP chats
[23:37] <Trip> he got married, he's got stuff to do now
[23:38] <Dale> like what?
[23:38] <maq> the dishes
[23:38] <ACS_Locutus> oh, i know all about that... (or some of it anyway) at least he's back in the office now...
[23:38] <ACS_Locutus> @ maq
[23:39] <ACS_Solver> At least Soren is a paid civ addict, not the worst husband to have
[23:39] <Trip> hehe
[23:40] <ACS_Locutus> actually, I'm thinking that might actually be worse
[23:40] <ACS_Solver> BTW Trip, I recall saying that you would send me your beefy PC
[23:40] <ACS_Solver> How's that worse than a civ addict who doesn't have a job nor any money?
[23:41] <ACS_Locutus> well, not all of us are you, Solver
[23:41] <maq> i suppose it depends what the wife wants
[23:41] <ACS_Solver> I'm not married, but I'm a much better potential husband than you Loc
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[23:42] <Trip> hehe, my PC has too many important things on it
[23:43] <maq> PORN /obligatory
[23:43] <ACS_Locutus> based on what, nerdness?
[23:43] <ACS_Solver> Nerdness is good, while you do the dishes, I'll write a program to do them instead
[23:43] <ACS_Solver> Plus remind me, who here has seen Star Wars and Trek, and who hasn't ;P?
[23:44] <ACS_Locutus> well, I like Diner Dash too, but somehow I doubt playing that will make the wifey very happy
[23:44] <Trip> I'm watching Battlestar Galactica right now for the first time
[23:44] <ACS_Solver> Trip, if you give me your PC, I'll invite you to test the next Civ4 expansion....
[23:44] <ACS_Locutus> first time?!
you're in for a treat!
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> Oh, you are? Congratulations young man
[23:45] <Trip> that's quite an offer Solver, but I'll have to pass
[23:45] <Trip> yeah, episode 1 right now
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> Err
[23:45] <Trip> can't say I'm a huge fan of their weapons and tactics
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> It starts with a miniseries
[23:45] <Trip> we probably have more advanced stuff right now
[23:45] <Trip> yeah, I watched that already
[23:45] <Trip> yesterday
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> Ahh
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> Well, their relatively low-tech stuff is part of the show's appeal.
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> Though I'm not sure F-35s can quite fly in space
[23:46] <ACS_Solver> But damn, I envy you, first time watching BSG
[23:46] <ACS_Solver> Just please please don't get any ideas from Dr. Baltar
[23:46] <ACS_Locutus> or do what the Galactica did last week (not gonna spoil it for ya, but I wouldn't wanna be in the area if the USS Nimitz tried that)
[23:47] <Trip> yeah, but no lasers, no shields
[23:47] <ACS_Locutus> it's called the anti-Trek for a reason
[23:47] <Trip> haha
[23:47] <Trip> at least their combat was more realistic
[23:47] <ACS_Solver> No lasers, no shields, no redshirts, and no characters immune to damage because they're important
[23:48] <ACS_Locutus> or ships, for that matter...
[23:48] <ACS_Solver> Indeed
[23:48] <ACS_Solver> And tell me which other show has robots this hot
[23:48] <ACS_Locutus> or show this much skin
[23:49] <Trip> :P
[23:49] <ACS_Solver> Skin in itself is of little value, it's the hotness of said skin that counts
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[23:49] <Trip> no need for hot roboots
[23:49] <ACS_Solver> Err, we can't discuss that in front of Trip, silly US and their high age of, uh, coming of aging
[23:50] <ACS_Locutus> ouch
[23:50] <ACS_Solver> Lower the age to 16
[23:50] <Trip> watch it buddy, I can smite you :P
[23:51] <ACS_Solver> No you can't, not with short hair
[23:51] <ACS_Locutus> for some reason he likes picking fights with people more powerful than himself... must be his childhood
[23:52] <ari> Wawawait, first you guys were talking about functional programming, now it's the hotness of robots
[23:52] <ACS_Solver> More powerful than me, surely you mean withcomputers more powerful than me
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[23:52] <ACS_Solver> Then again, that's not the case for you either
[23:52] <ACS_Solver> And at least, unlike you, I had a childhood
[23:53] <ACS_Locutus> well, BSG can do that to people, just wait until we get Trip hooked and can talk without worry of spoilers
[23:53] <ari> You... do realise you're nerds, do you?
[23:53] <ACS_Solver> Will take a while though, it's what, 37 episodes now?
[23:53] <ACS_Solver> Ari, you do realise that's why we get to do cool stuff like work on Civ4, do you?
[23:54] <ACS_Locutus> never said we weren't... although BSG is NOT a show for nerds per se... every critic will agree with you that's it's the best drama on TV ATM...
[23:54] <ACS_Solver> Yep, curiously enough it's not nearly as nerdy as it sounds
[23:54] <ACS_Solver> Poor RDM, he mentions how the name is a curse every other interview
[23:55] <ACS_Locutus> well, 37x45 = only ~28 hours once you're hooked, that's over before you know it
[23:55] <ACS_Solver> Hmm, only I'm afraid these latest developments mean that XP2 is going to end up having the Cylon civ, plus Viper and Raptor units
[23:56] <Trip> anything is possible
[23:56] <ACS_Locutus> a blessing as much as a curse, wouldn't have gotten the audience he has without it...
[23:56] <ACS_Locutus> but a cylon civ would only have 12 units...
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[23:56] <ACS_Solver> Trip, a word of advice then: Six makes for a better leaderhead than Baltar
[23:57] <ACS_Locutus> *anyone* makes for a better leader than Baltar ;0
[23:57] <ACS_Solver> 12 units maybe, but many copies, plus, they get instantly reborn at a city when killed!
[23:57] <ACS_Locutus>
[23:57] <Trip> :P
[23:57] <Trip> you guys are definitely nerds
[23:57] <ACS_Solver> The traits would be, uh, Seductive and Deceptive. Seductive: +100% birth rates
[23:58] <ACS_Solver> How about an official nerdiness competition with the three of us someday soon?
[23:58] <ACS_Locutus> just wait until you've seen a few eps, you'll be just as bad
[23:59] <ACS_Solver> Yeah, he'll also go reciting scripts by heart
[23:59] <ACS_Locutus> okay, maybe not *that* bad...
[00:22] <ACS_Solver> Okay, for technical reasons, I guess I'll be getting lost out of here now
[00:22] <Flash9286> later
[00:22] <ACS_Solver> Trip, your task is to convert at least half the office to BSG
[00:23] <Trip> they've all seen it before me
[00:23] <ACS_Solver> Ahh, that's great!
[00:23] <ACS_Solver> See you folks then
[00:23] <Flash9286> I like BSG
[00:23] <ACS_Locutus> CU
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[00:23] <ACS_Locutus> for very technical reasons i'm probabaly out of here very soon too (i.e. I'm tired)
[00:24] <ari> And as for me, ->z
[00:24] <Flash9286> lalalalala
[00:25] <Flash9286> gata almost died
[00:25] <ACS_Locutus> well, I'm off to bed. nice talking to you all, if not very on-topic
[00:25] <ACS_Locutus> no spoilering of the rookies, flash, some of us haven't seen all eps yet (no, not me)
[00:25] <Flash9286> oh my bad
[00:26] * ACS_Locutus changes topic to 'Apolyton Chat Room -- Idling as an artform'
[00:26] <Flash9286> well im going to eat later
[00:26] <Dale> seeya loc
[00:26] <ACS_Locutus> CU
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[21:52] <Dale> Hey hey!
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[21:52] <PeteT> Hi, Dale. Can you see this?
[21:54] <ACS_Solver> Hi Dale
[21:54] <Dale> Pete: Nope, can't see it.
[21:54] <maq> hi all
[21:54] <ACS_Solver> Okay, looks like I'll miss the official start
[21:54] <ACS_Solver> Oh well
[21:54] <Dale> Y
[21:55] <PeteT> Well, I didn't see your reply either.
[21:55] <ACS_Solver> Locutus, how many others you adertised this to
?[21:55] <maq> theres already more here than i expected
[21:55] <ACS_Solver> More here than we had for the birthday chat
[21:55] <ACS_Solver> Apolyton birthday, I mean
[21:55] <PeteT> Is Ben still chatting?
[21:56] <maq> who cares about apolyton anyway?
[21:56] <ACS_Solver> Yeah, just old gits over there
[21:57] <Dale> or trolls
[21:57] <ACS_Solver> Or Civ4 testers, those are the worst there are...
[21:57] <ACS_Solver>
[21:57] <maq> civ4 was tested?
[21:57] * Dale isn't a civ4 tester
[21:58] <maq> j/k BTW
[21:59] <ACS_Solver> Mooooo
[22:00] * Dale gets a cattle prod
[22:00] * ACS_Solver runs
[22:00] <ACS_Solver> Oh, wait, I'm an op
[22:01] <Dale> uh oh
[22:01] <Dale>
[22:01] <ACS_Solver> Wouter, get your lazy ass out of Audacity, it's the official start now!
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[22:03] * ACS_Locutus changes topic to '28-10-2006: 3 Year Anniversary of the CtP2 Source Code Release -- Birthday Chat NOW!!'
[22:03] <ACS_Locutus> well, I said I might be late...
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[22:03] <ACS_Locutus> good evening all
[22:03] <maq> afternoon
[22:03] <Dale> morning
[22:04] <ACS_Locutus> good crowd, I guess my name still carries some clout
[22:05] <ACS_Locutus> and of course sending out 50 PMs also helps
[22:05] <maq> good job
[22:06] <Pave> indeed
[22:06] <ACS_Locutus> well, I know from past chats 10 PM ~= 1 active participant, so better send out a fair few
[22:06] <Dale> did anyone get onto stan?
[22:06] <maq> yep, i'd consider this a good turn out
[22:07] <ACS_Locutus> I PMed Stan and he read the PM, but hasn't responded...
[22:08] <maq> too busy with aom4 i guess?
[22:08] <Dale> i thought it was out
[22:08] <ACS_Locutus> I guess...
[22:08] <Pave> it is
[22:08] <maq> theres some bugs that remian from what ive read
[22:08] <ACS_Locutus> it is? when did that happen?
[22:09] <maq> havent played it myself yet, since im on dialup again
[22:09] <maq> a couple of days ago
[22:09] <maq> probably worthy of a news item...
[22:09] <ACS_Locutus> ahh... well, I should post a news item about that...
[22:09] <maq>
[22:09] <ACS_Locutus> there was no thread about it...
[22:09] <ACS_Locutus> unless I missed it
[22:10] <Dale> announced at aom hq
[22:10] <ACS_Locutus> been having trouble accesssing that, dunno what that's about...
[22:10] <Dale> it doesn't like ya
[22:11] <Dale> i don't like ya either
[22:11] <ACS_Locutus> :cries:
[22:11] <ACS_Locutus> damn aussies
[22:11] <Dale> lol
[22:12] <maq> wheres IW and Peter, did they leave already?
[22:12] <ACS_Locutus> IW said he'd be online all night but not necesarily on his PC
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[22:12] <ACS_Locutus> dunno about Peter
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[22:13] <maq> suppose idling is better than absent
[22:13] <ACS_Locutus> makes the contact list look more impressive
[22:13] <ACS_Locutus> or whatever its called in mirc...
[22:14] <maq> shame Martin G, E, and fromafar arent here, considering theyre the only people doing anything to the code ATM
[22:14] <ACS_Locutus> indeed...
[22:14] <maq> may be others
[22:14] <ACS_Locutus> well, John a little I think, but they were the big three
[22:15] <ACS_Locutus> are
[22:15] <maq> ideally i'd like to know their plans, afterall the project would be dead without them
[22:15] <PeteT> I'm still here but there's a (CFL) football game on in the next room and I keep running back and forth
[22:15] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, that'd be nice to hear more about
[22:15] <ACS_Locutus> that's why you should have a TV and PC in the same room like me, I'm watching footie ATM as well
[22:16] <maq> CFL, is that proper football?
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[22:16] <ACS_Locutus> it's barely a sport
[22:16] <Dale> nothin' to watch here at 7:15am, except televangilists on satellite delay from USA, shopping network or kids cartoons
[22:16] <ari> .
[22:17] <PeteT> Canadian football, iirc, it's what American football descended from
[22:17] <maq> i guess its very similar then? not for me
[22:18] <maq> having said that a lot of real football can be god awful boring sometimes
[22:18] <PeteT> What, you don't like turn based strategy?
[22:18] <maq> not with commercials
[22:19] <ACS_Locutus> I actually the like strategic aspects of NFL. it ain't no real footie or rugby and all the breaks every freaking 30 seconds are annoying, but it's a very intelligent sport...
[22:19] <ACS_Locutus> american football is no different...
[22:19] <ACS_Locutus> (re: boring)
[22:21] <ACS_Locutus> so, maq, what's up with you? you living in the US now or something?
[22:21] <PeteT> Boring is relative. I can remember listening to Cricket *on the radio* and liking it
[22:21] <maq> im living in mexico, monterrey to be specific
[22:21] <ACS_Locutus> I like all British sports, but I will never get cricket... then again, I suspect that's the point...
[22:22] <ACS_Locutus>
[22:22] <ACS_Locutus> permanently? or a internship thing or something?
[22:22] <PeteT> Monterey! sounds neat.
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[22:22] <maq> yep, im sitting right under a ceiling fan as i type
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[22:22] <maq> just visiting some friends, dont know for how long
[22:22] <ACS_Locutus> okay, not so cool then
[22:23] <ACS_Locutus> *jealous*
[22:23] <maq> if i end up getting a job here they'll fasttrack a work visa and i can stay permanently
[22:24] <maq> not seen a lot of the rest of mx yet, but i intend to
[22:24] <ACS_Locutus> well, that should keep you busy for a while
[22:26] <maq> yep, it should take me a while to get around to everything, considering i dont have a lot of throw-away money
[22:26] <ACS_Locutus> I guess that's where the job comes in...
[22:26] <maq> aye
[22:27] <maq> when its too hot to go outside i spend the time messing with civ4 or ctp2
[22:28] <ACS_Locutus> so you do have civ4?
[22:28] <maq> yep and warlords
[22:28] <maq> but havent played a lot of warlords yet
[22:28] <Dale> neither have i since release
[22:29] <ACS_Locutus> cool, so much for my conception that the only people left in the ctp2 community were people with ancient PCs...
[22:29] <Dale> not straight wl, mostly been doing mods
[22:29] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, same here
[22:29] <ACS_Locutus> not a lot of warlords that is, also not been doing too many mods
[22:29] <maq> well im probably at the lower end but i can run it fine on standard maps
[22:31] <maq> i want to move onto civ4 modding but it seems very daunting, especially as it took me so long to learn the ins and outs of ctp2
[22:31] <ACS_Locutus> I'm probably in the same situation right now. my video card broke down this week, so I'm back to my trusty old mx440
[22:32] <ACS_Locutus> dunno, I find it very easy but I guess I never had too much trouble with ctp either...
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[22:32] <maq> not that i was determined to learn ctp2 from day one, but its what im used to now
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[22:32] <Dale> maq it's pretty easy once you learn where stuff is to change ie xml, python or dll
[22:33] <maq> im especially interested in new units, the xml seems simple enough
[22:33] <PeteT> If you have some basic c++, I think that civ4 is easier because you can see right from the beginning what's going on
[22:34] <maq> well even SLIC certainly isnt simple for me
[22:34] <ACS_Locutus> you don't need any particular knowledge to get xml, which is powerful enough for a lot of people...
[22:34] <ACS_Solver> Civ4 is also pretty easy if you don't know C++. You can do lots in python, and learning some basics of that is easy
[22:35] <maq> yep, i suppose once theres more examples of python i can easily borrow from that
[22:36] <ACS_Solver> Actually there are some good examples if you look at the mods that shipped with the game
[22:36] <Dale> hey everyone say hi to blake, he just woke up
[22:36] <maq> are there are big mods out from the community yet?
[22:37] <ACS_Locutus>
you mean he can already read? [22:37] <ACS_Solver> None of them really stretch Python to the limit, I don't think so, but you can certainly learn some basic events and some more complex stuff, too
[22:37] <ACS_Solver> Hi little Aussie settler
[22:37] <maq> :waves:
[22:37] <Dale> lol no he can't ready yet
[22:37] <PeteT> I'm not a big Python fan, but it is much easier to learn than SLIC was
[22:37] <ACS_Solver> There are a few big mods over at CFC. Rule-change mods, and mods with custom scenarios. I can't say I know too much about them, though.
[22:38] <Dale> yeah there's heaps at cfc
[22:38] <Dale> someone was working on a ctp2 mod for civ4, but havent heard anything of that in months
[22:38] <maq> what happened to apolyton on the civ4 front?
[22:38] <ACS_Locutus> it's easy to read but quite hard to learn, damn syntax is evil. but it *is* a fantastic language once you get the ropes of it
[22:38] <Dale> they wanted to use my combat mod
[22:38] <ACS_Locutus> just that damn syntax...
[22:38] <Dale> i prefer doing it direct in the sdk
[22:39] <maq> is it anyone we know working on a ctp2 mod?
[22:39] <PeteT> You mean it's not the same Blake who's doing that AI coding for Civ4. I thought you were training him up
[22:39] <ACS_Locutus>
[22:39] <ACS_Solver> Which syntax would you mean, Loc?
[22:39] <ACS_Locutus> python
[22:39] <ACS_Solver> Dale: SDK just isn't an option for everyone
[22:40] <ACS_Solver> Meh, Python synthax is much more readable to guys who have never seen a line of code before.
[22:40] <Dale> solver: if you cant use the sdk, you aint a real modder.
[22:40] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, but mistake a space for a tab and your code suddenly has 100% different meaning and you spend 3 weeks tracking down the error in vain...
[22:40] <ACS_Solver> Ahh but wasn't the point of Civ4 to let non-real modders mod
?[22:41] <Dale> no, the point was less mods better quality remember!
[22:41] <Dale> soren went on for ages about that
[22:41] <ACS_Solver> Just use a decent text editor. You're not going to say that something like std::map<int, *CvUnit>::iterator it wouldn't scare people who haven't seen a thing before?
[22:41] <Dale> lol true
[22:42] <ACS_Solver> I remember Soren truly believed Civ4 would change modding, looks like he was right about that, so many people jumping in
[22:42] <ACS_Locutus> even in the best of text editors a space is sometimes indistinguishable from a tab
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[22:43] <ACS_Locutus> and not having to declare variables is another nightmare: one typo again can change your code completely and is a major pain in the butt to track down.
[22:43] <Dale> i only use tabs for comments, so i don't have that problem
[22:43] <Dale> that one i must agree especially since icount and iCount are different.
[22:44] <Dale> used to catch me out at uni all the time
[22:44] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, but newbies frequently take other people's code and edit it, so you get different styles of layouting in the same file.. that's just begging for trouble...
[22:44] <ACS_Solver> Variable name typos suck, yeah. But a decent dev environment should also warn about that
[22:44] <ACS_Solver> I like IDLE
[22:44] <ACS_Solver> Haven't used it for Civ4 admittedly, but have for some other Python coding, and it's very nice
[22:44] <Dale> notepad is for REAL men! hahahahahaha
[22:45] <ACS_Locutus> newbs typically use notepad or similar... and frankly I prefer EditPlus too...
[22:45] <ACS_Solver> No, vi is for real men
[22:45] <Dale> pfffft
[22:45] <Dale> i actually use IDLE.
[22:45] <ACS_Locutus> pah, edlin is teh r0x0r
[22:45] <ACS_Solver>
[22:46] <ACS_Solver> Don't tell me you remember that one
[22:46] <ACS_Locutus> remember? I still have freaking nightmares about that one
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[22:47] <ACS_Solver> What did they do to you Wouter, Cobol coding through edlin in elementary school
?[22:47] * Dale shudders at that thought
[22:47] <Dale> that's scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:47] <ACS_Locutus> but this discussion is getting a bit esoteric
[22:47] <Chariot> eek! there are people here!
[22:47] * Chariot hides
[22:48] <ACS_Solver> What, you mean there are people who have never used edlin nor vi?
[22:49] <ACS_Locutus> I'm willing to bet good money that there are
[22:50] <ari> eek! there are edlin uders here!
[22:50] * ari hides
[22:50] <ari> *users
[22:50] <Dale> lol
[22:50] <ari> To be exact, /me hides behind the large body of emacs
[22:50] <ACS_Solver> Former users, more like
[22:50] <ACS_Solver> I hope
[22:50] <PeteT> What do you guys think of Python compared to SLIC?
[22:50] <Dale> former here
[22:50] <ACS_Solver> Maybe Wouter still uses edlin for all his work
[22:50] <ACS_Locutus> I'm very happy to say that's *former* edlin users
[22:51] <ari> ed, man! !man ed
[22:51] <Dale> pete: its not fair to compare the two, as python is a full language. slic was just a game script
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[22:51] <ACS_Locutus> Python runs circles around SLIC! way, way, way better. I mean, one word: list comprehension
[22:51] <Dale> shhhhhh......... the boss is here!
[22:51] <ACS_DanQ>
[22:51] <ACS_Solver> What Dale says pretty much, not like Python was made for Civ4
[22:51] <ACS_Solver> Hi Dan
[22:51] <ACS_DanQ> Hi Solver, Gramphos, Locutus.
[22:51] <ACS_Locutus> oh boy, let the monologuing begin
[22:51] <ACS_DanQ> And all!
[22:51] <Dale> hey dan
[22:51] <Dale>
[22:51] <ACS_DanQ> Hi Dale.
[22:52] <ACS_Solver> Loc, why couldn't you keep list comprehension out of it
?[22:52] <ACS_Solver> I know you have a fetish for everything functional programming, but still
[22:52] <ACS_Locutus> because func prog is teh r0x0rs!
for real, this time [22:52] * settler has joined #apolyton
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[22:52] <ACS_Solver> And how much of it necessarily applies to Civ4
?[22:52] <Dale> i bet loc screamed like ned flanders when he saw list compression lol
[22:53] <ACS_Locutus> who *doesn't* want to be able to summarise 20-30 lines of code in 1 command
[22:53] <ACS_Solver> I bet it was only implemented in Python to stop him from nagging
[22:53] <ACS_Solver> Uhmm, people who aren't good at all with math
?[22:53] <Dale> rofl
[22:53] <ACS_Locutus> those aren't real people
[22:53] <ACS_Locutus> just look at Dan
[22:53] <ari> ACS_Locutus: If terseness really was all that essential they'd have chosen Perl
[22:54] <ACS_Locutus> but they still wanted the code to be remotely readable
[22:54] <ari> However, since they actually want someone to understand the code they've written, Python was the better choice
[22:55] <ACS_DanQ>
Locutus... you math-types need the English language to be able to explain and interpret your math, so... [22:55] <ACS_Locutus> me speak english good also
[22:56] <ACS_Solver> No, we only need it so you folks can understand our infinite wisdom
[22:56] <Dale> maths is the universal language, don't need engrish
[22:56] <ACS_Solver> Didn't you know that Wouter and I privately talk in code, not English
?[22:56] <Dale> 10000101000111000
[22:56] <Dale> stuff code, talk binary!
[22:57] <ACS_Locutus> much more efficient for sure
[22:57] <ACS_Solver> Can't do, Locutus's conduits may overload
[22:58] <ari> But we *are* talking in binary
[22:58] <ari> Specifically, it seems I'm talking iso-8859-15, but that's just because VJ, who occasionally shows up in this channel, has a dumb client that can't deal with utf-8
[22:59] <ACS_DanQ> Oooo, I can talk in code too! This is Dale the next time he tries to login to his forum account:
[23:00] <Dale> lol
[23:00] <Dale> i could just dl....... Dale2
[23:00] <ACS_Locutus>
[23:01] <ACS_DanQ> You can scratch "Dale2" off your list of DLs now that I know to be watching for it...
[23:01] <ACS_Locutus>
using firaxis in-jokes around the little people is not very considerate of you, Dale [23:02] <ACS_Solver> Yes it is Loc
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[23:02] <Dale> hehehehe.
[23:03] <ACS_Locutus> aaaaannyyyway, getting a little far off topic here. maq, you still here? how's your scenario coming?
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[23:03] <ACS_Solver> There was a topic
?[23:04] <ACS_DanQ> Glad I was able to check-in. Congrats to the CtPII community celebrating three years since the source cod release. Keep up the good work, one and all, and enjoy the rest of your chat.
[23:04] <ACS_DanQ> hehehe
[23:04] <ACS_DanQ> source codE
[23:05] <ACS_DanQ> Keep on Civ'in!
[23:05] <ACS_Locutus> CU, nice of you to drop by...
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[23:06] <ACS_Locutus> I guess we scared off maq with all the code and math talk
[23:06] <ACS_Solver> Now that he's gone, we can go back to Canada-bashing
[23:06] <ACS_Locutus> don't worry, we did enough Canada bashing for at least a week or two tonight in PolyCast
[23:07] <Dale> hey how many have dl'ed that?
[23:07] <maq> nope still here
[23:07] <ACS_Solver> Don't mention it, you haven't even invited me for an interview
[23:07] <ACS_Locutus> well, you tell me, you told all your friends you were on the show or something?
[23:08] <ACS_Locutus> had like 800 'downloads' in a few hours time, all from Australia earlier this week
[23:08] <Dale> lol
[23:08] <Dale> actually i didn't
[23:08] <ACS_Locutus> unfortunately they were all only like 1kb...
[23:08] <Dale> i don't have friends, i live online
[23:08] <ACS_Solver> And I'm sure my friends would appreciate a chance NOT to hear me blabbering
[23:09] <ACS_Locutus> like you have any
[23:09] <ACS_Solver> As you well know, I have more than you, geek
[23:09] <ACS_Locutus>
dream on, baby, dream on [23:10] <ACS_Solver> Just because you leave your PC once a week doesn't mean that I do so
[23:10] <Dale> loc has his 5 desktop dancers to talk to, and desktop elvis. how many have you got solver?
[23:11] <ACS_Solver> I've got dozens and dozens of characters in all the BSG and X-Files episodes I keep here
[23:11] <ACS_Locutus> you do realise I can ban people too?
[23:12] <ACS_Solver> You do realise tha I'm quicker than you
?[23:12] <ACS_Locutus> you do realise I outrank you?
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[23:12] <ACS_Solver> No I don't, get back to work Deckhand
[23:13] <Dale> brb
[23:13] <ACS_Locutus> no, denial is not just a river in egypt
[23:14] <ACS_Solver> And a conscience isn't just a myth, but you wouldn't know that
[23:15] <ACS_Locutus> indeed I do! con-science is a very useful branch science if you're trying to break into a safe
[23:16] <ACS_Solver> I thought the only place you ever tried to break into was the girl's locker room back in school, right after those horrible edline assignements
[23:16] <ACS_Locutus> what do you mean tried?
[23:17] <ACS_Solver> Obviously you couldn't have been successful
[23:17] <ACS_Locutus> how do you know?
[23:18] <ACS_Solver> Because it's you, you can't be successful by definition
[23:18] <ACS_Locutus> yet I outrank you
[23:18] <ACS_Solver> Delusional. I've always been saying the Dutch need to restrict pot usage
[23:19] <ACS_Locutus> pot, meet kettle.
[23:19] <ACS_Solver> And the birthday chat's highlight was, of course, also our fight
[23:20] <ACS_Locutus> hey, good traditions are not what they are by coincidence
[23:20] <ACS_Solver> Don't even think about it
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[23:25] <Gawd> why so many folks in here right now
[23:25] <ACS_Locutus> see topic
[23:25] <Gawd> all CTPers in here now then?
[23:25] <ACS_Locutus> anyway, maq, you still here? how's your red front conversion coming along?
[23:25] <ACS_Locutus> not all, but the rest are pretty much idlers
[23:26] <Chariot> <--- idler AND player of ctp :P
[23:27] <ACS_Solver> Oooh, Loc pretending to know something about what's going on in the CtP front
[23:27] <maq> Loc: it just needs an AI, and a lot of SLIC. the etc is all done
[23:27] <maq> the map and placings*
[23:27] <ACS_Locutus> solv, contrary to some I actually keep tabs on more than one game at a time
[23:28] <ACS_Solver> As you well know, I knew about the chat before you sent me a PM too
[23:28] <ACS_Locutus> soo, basically you just have the text files done?
any idea when you'll have a playable version? this is one ctp2 probject I'm actually looking forward to...[23:29] * Gawd is now known as alksdfj
[23:29] <maq> its playable now, but the AI doesnt blitzkreig and keep going...
[23:29] * alksdfj is now known as Trip
[23:30] <maq> also unless someone chips in with the SLIC it'll be severely lacking events from the original red front
[23:31] <maq> which is why if i intend to mod civ4 i'll stick to units
[23:31] <Trip> but you can do so much
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[23:32] <ACS_Locutus> well, don't look at me... but yeah, that's definitely something that'll need to be added for it to be a proper conversion (though even without, it's not like we're flooded with ww2 scenarios at the momnent...)
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[23:33] <Trip> you guys converting something from CTP to Civ?
[23:33] <maq> TBH ive spent a lot of time trying to do everything at once, if i start another project it'll be as a team
[23:33] <ACS_Locutus> if you guys would stop bugging me with work for the xps I might
[23:33] <Dale> hey I did my bit, i got combat converted
[23:34] <Trip> haha
[23:34] <Trip> it's for the greater good
[23:34] <maq> public works?
[23:34] <ACS_Solver> Which reminds me... people, won't you TEST what others are doing!
[23:35] <ACS_Solver> Of course none of the people I should be shouting that to are actually here...
[23:35] <ACS_Locutus> hmmm, this has got to be a first though, a firaxis celebrity in a CtP chat
[23:36] <Trip> hey, I played CTP before
[23:36] <ACS_Locutus> yeah, a public works mod would be good, that's the one major feature from ctp2 that's completely absent from civ4 now
[23:37] <ACS_Solver> Who's a celebrity, this no-longer hairy punk
?[23:37] <ACS_Locutus> so has Soren, but I've yet to see him make an appearance in any CtP chats
[23:37] <Trip> he got married, he's got stuff to do now
[23:38] <Dale> like what?
[23:38] <maq> the dishes
[23:38] <ACS_Locutus> oh, i know all about that... (or some of it anyway) at least he's back in the office now...
[23:38] <ACS_Locutus>
@ maq[23:39] <ACS_Solver> At least Soren is a paid civ addict, not the worst husband to have
[23:39] <Trip> hehe
[23:40] <ACS_Locutus> actually, I'm thinking that might actually be worse
[23:40] <ACS_Solver> BTW Trip, I recall saying that you would send me your beefy PC
[23:40] <ACS_Solver> How's that worse than a civ addict who doesn't have a job nor any money
?[23:41] <ACS_Locutus> well, not all of us are you, Solver
[23:41] <maq> i suppose it depends what the wife wants
[23:41] <ACS_Solver> I'm not married, but I'm a much better potential husband than you Loc
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[23:42] <Trip> hehe, my PC has too many important things on it
[23:43] <maq> PORN /obligatory
[23:43] <ACS_Locutus> based on what, nerdness?
[23:43] <ACS_Solver> Nerdness is good, while you do the dishes, I'll write a program to do them instead
[23:43] <ACS_Solver> Plus remind me, who here has seen Star Wars and Trek, and who hasn't ;P?
[23:44] <ACS_Locutus> well, I like Diner Dash too, but somehow I doubt playing that will make the wifey very happy
[23:44] <Trip> I'm watching Battlestar Galactica right now for the first time
[23:44] <ACS_Solver> Trip, if you give me your PC, I'll invite you to test the next Civ4 expansion....
[23:44] <ACS_Locutus> first time?!
you're in for a treat![23:45] <ACS_Solver> Oh, you are? Congratulations young man
[23:45] <Trip> that's quite an offer Solver, but I'll have to pass
[23:45] <Trip> yeah, episode 1 right now
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> Err
[23:45] <Trip> can't say I'm a huge fan of their weapons and tactics
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> It starts with a miniseries
[23:45] <Trip> we probably have more advanced stuff right now
[23:45] <Trip> yeah, I watched that already
[23:45] <Trip> yesterday
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> Ahh
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> Well, their relatively low-tech stuff is part of the show's appeal.
[23:45] <ACS_Solver> Though I'm not sure F-35s can quite fly in space
[23:46] <ACS_Solver> But damn, I envy you, first time watching BSG
[23:46] <ACS_Solver> Just please please don't get any ideas from Dr. Baltar
[23:46] <ACS_Locutus> or do what the Galactica did last week (not gonna spoil it for ya, but I wouldn't wanna be in the area if the USS Nimitz tried that
)[23:47] <Trip> yeah, but no lasers, no shields
[23:47] <ACS_Locutus> it's called the anti-Trek for a reason
[23:47] <Trip> haha
[23:47] <Trip> at least their combat was more realistic
[23:47] <ACS_Solver> No lasers, no shields, no redshirts, and no characters immune to damage because they're important
[23:48] <ACS_Locutus> or ships, for that matter...
[23:48] <ACS_Solver> Indeed
[23:48] <ACS_Solver> And tell me which other show has robots this hot
[23:48] <ACS_Locutus> or show this much skin
[23:49] <Trip> :P
[23:49] <ACS_Solver> Skin in itself is of little value, it's the hotness of said skin that counts
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[23:49] <Trip> no need for hot roboots
[23:49] <ACS_Solver> Err, we can't discuss that in front of Trip, silly US and their high age of, uh, coming of aging
[23:50] <ACS_Locutus> ouch
[23:50] <ACS_Solver> Lower the age to 16
[23:50] <Trip> watch it buddy, I can smite you :P
[23:51] <ACS_Solver> No you can't, not with short hair
[23:51] <ACS_Locutus> for some reason he likes picking fights with people more powerful than himself... must be his childhood
[23:52] <ari> Wawawait, first you guys were talking about functional programming, now it's the hotness of robots
[23:52] <ACS_Solver> More powerful than me, surely you mean withcomputers more powerful than me
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[23:52] <ACS_Solver> Then again, that's not the case for you either
[23:52] <ACS_Solver> And at least, unlike you, I had a childhood
[23:53] <ACS_Locutus> well, BSG can do that to people, just wait until we get Trip hooked and can talk without worry of spoilers
[23:53] <ari> You... do realise you're nerds, do you?
[23:53] <ACS_Solver> Will take a while though, it's what, 37 episodes now?
[23:53] <ACS_Solver> Ari, you do realise that's why we get to do cool stuff like work on Civ4, do you
?[23:54] <ACS_Locutus> never said we weren't... although BSG is NOT a show for nerds per se... every critic will agree with you that's it's the best drama on TV ATM...
[23:54] <ACS_Solver> Yep, curiously enough it's not nearly as nerdy as it sounds
[23:54] <ACS_Solver> Poor RDM, he mentions how the name is a curse every other interview
[23:55] <ACS_Locutus> well, 37x45 = only ~28 hours
once you're hooked, that's over before you know it [23:55] <ACS_Solver> Hmm, only I'm afraid these latest developments mean that XP2 is going to end up having the Cylon civ, plus Viper and Raptor units
[23:56] <Trip> anything is possible
[23:56] <ACS_Locutus> a blessing as much as a curse, wouldn't have gotten the audience he has without it...
[23:56] <ACS_Locutus> but a cylon civ would only have 12 units...
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[23:56] <ACS_Solver> Trip, a word of advice then: Six makes for a better leaderhead than Baltar
[23:57] <ACS_Locutus> *anyone* makes for a better leader than Baltar ;0
[23:57] <ACS_Solver> 12 units maybe, but many copies, plus, they get instantly reborn at a city when killed!
[23:57] <ACS_Locutus>
[23:57] <Trip> :P
[23:57] <Trip> you guys are definitely nerds
[23:57] <ACS_Solver> The traits would be, uh, Seductive and Deceptive. Seductive: +100% birth rates
[23:58] <ACS_Solver> How about an official nerdiness competition with the three of us someday soon?
[23:58] <ACS_Locutus> just wait until you've seen a few eps, you'll be just as bad
[23:59] <ACS_Solver> Yeah, he'll also go reciting scripts by heart
[23:59] <ACS_Locutus> okay, maybe not *that* bad...
[00:22] <ACS_Solver> Okay, for technical reasons, I guess I'll be getting lost out of here now
[00:22] <Flash9286> later
[00:22] <ACS_Solver> Trip, your task is to convert at least half the office to BSG
[00:23] <Trip> they've all seen it before me
[00:23] <ACS_Solver> Ahh, that's great!
[00:23] <ACS_Solver> See you folks then
[00:23] <Flash9286> I like BSG
[00:23] <ACS_Locutus> CU
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[00:23] <ACS_Locutus> for very technical reasons i'm probabaly out of here very soon too (i.e. I'm tired)
[00:24] <ari> And as for me, ->z
[00:24] <Flash9286> lalalalala
[00:25] <Flash9286> gata almost died
[00:25] <ACS_Locutus> well, I'm off to bed. nice talking to you all, if not very on-topic
[00:25] <ACS_Locutus> no spoilering of the rookies, flash, some of us haven't seen all eps yet (no, not me)
[00:25] <Flash9286> oh my bad
[00:26] * ACS_Locutus changes topic to 'Apolyton Chat Room -- Idling as an artform'
[00:26] <Flash9286> well im going to eat later
[00:26] <Dale> seeya loc
[00:26] <ACS_Locutus> CU
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