DESIGN: CtP2 Source Code released - our actions [brainstorm & discussion]

[Ekmek]

Re: Minor Civlizations

Originally posted by SMIFFGIG
Minor Civilizations, these would have 1 or 2 cities and couldnt expand and the cities had there own unique style

they wouldnt come up or be part of the 7 or 6 civs already on the map, but you could ally with them and each minor civ would be powerful in some way for there size and have something unique about them
e.g a Technology that was unique to them that allowed a unique unit or City improvement for example

you could either gain this by killing them and hoping to steal it whilst looting there cities (wich wouldnt be a 100% chance) or by slowly gaining good relations with them then allying and eventually merging them into your civilization so all there cities become yours

this peaceful way would gaurentee 100% that you would gain watever unique advantage that this minor civ has to offer.

Im sure this would be difficult but with the source code it would also be possible

Would this be possible by making a"copy" of the barbarian computer player and changing the AI attitude and also creating a barbarian only tech (namd after the minor civ) that allowed for unique units, buildings, city styles, or units? This would be possible, but I wonder if it means we can go over the 32 civ unit since computers are much faster now.

[Solver]

Martin has a point... it's not that wise to bring in a ton of new feautures via editing the source code, it would be wiser to extend the mod abilities, so that you can do, say, space via mods and SLIC.

Like, minor civs are much better implemented through SLIC then, than source.

Yup, I also think that we should, at some point, come up with other stuff we miss from CtP1 and want to see back. Love CtP1 style rankings window, for instance.

And, another proposal - extend diplomacy. Create a bargaining table a-la Civ 3, to enable trading of 234 gold and Writing for Advanced Spaceflight .

[Peter Triggs]

I think we have to be very careful about biting off more than we can chew; in fact we should go for a 'conservative expansion' of CTP2 ( @ Locutus).

[Solver]

Nah, a community can do anything... provided interest and enthusiasm exist. Sure, many great projects did fall apart quickly, but that was mainly because of people losing interest. Seeing how many of us have been playing CtP for 4 or 5 years, I do doubt that interest will fade. If anything, this got me nostalgic about the cool German sounds from my copy of CtP1. Gotta add those to CtP2...

[SMIFFGIG]

What has happened is a one off occurance

The source code, for a game that is only 3 years old!!

and with no other competiting games around it (Civ3 is not a very good game but has some nice features)

the only other game ive known the source code to be released for is DOOM..... and that was 10years after it was made.

The source code for CtP2 really does open many doors and i think once things start getting up and going and amazing mods/patches are being made for CtP2 the community will grow ALOT, thus more modders/programmers

[Immortal Wombat]

Yeah, but enthusiasm for playing and enthusiasm for wading through acres of code and a hundred different versions to get a playable exe are two entirely different matters.

Also, hard-coding something which could be SLICed is counterproductive.

[Solver]

IW - many here have enthusiasm for modding .

Smiff, Doom source was released in 1995, while Doom 1 was a 1990 game.

[SMIFFGIG]

Smiff, Doom source was released in 1995, while Doom 1 was a 1990 game.

ok 5 years ....... always someone

[Solver]

Bad luck, eh .

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Solver
IW - many here have enthusiasm for modding .

and many more have enthusiasm for other people doing modding.

[SMIFFGIG]

IW has a very good point

As much as i would love to make a mod for Ctp2 and am very enthusiastic, i cant mod myself.

Except for modding Tiberian Sun in a big way, the fact that many people are on these boards and have enthusiasim is really nothing when there is only a handful of modders

[MrBaggins]

Re: Minor Civilizations idea

I think that the only one to benefit from this would be the human player, since it takes skill which the computer doesn't have to make certain value judgements. The AI is already challenged enough. I don't want the playing field turning into an "Alpha Centuri situation" for the AI.

[Solver]

Well, yes, I understand and believe that there are going to be few people tampering with the source, but what I'm saying is, there WILL be those people, and stuff won't stop.

[MrBaggins]

Addition- Less cheesy scientific victory
Fix (if I recall correctly)- retreat ; just remove it

[Solver]

How is retreat screwed?

Sci victory... hmm, well, I preferred the CtP1 one .