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  • #31
    .keep Wormhole sensor in

    Tech first turn is ok by me..just misread..thought everyone was saying "within" first few turns...



    NO QUICK START MOD..

    Other than that lets talk about map settings..

    .did someone say "Ban Wonders"...umm..that would be nice too...


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    Grandpa Troll
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    • #32
      update :

      players:
      Mathemagician, Protoss72000, FlameFlash, Grandpa Troll

      J.Bytheway ?

      votes:

      A) Choose the tech ?

      on the first turn - 4 votes (Math, Protoss, Flame, Troll)

      B) Keep techs secret ?

      yes, secret - 4 votes (Math, Protoss, Flame, Troll)

      C) Use QuickStart Mod ?

      no - 3 votes (Math, Protoss, Troll)
      yes - 1 vote (Flame)

      D) Ban Wormhole Sensor ?

      no - 3 votes (Math, Flame, Troll)

      E) Ban any wonders ?

      no - 1 vote (Math)
      yes - 1 vote (Troll)


      everyone ok with these settings ?

      Gigantic Map
      30% land
      100% diversity
      100% goods
      Deity
      Barbarians: Raging Hordes
      Baal: "You dare mock me ?"
      O'Neill: "Baal, c'mon, you should know ... Of course I dare mock you."

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      • #33
        For banning wonders, I don't really care, so I will let someone else cast the deciding vote. Setting are okay with me.
        :)

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        • #34
          Yes, I'll join you too.

          Choose tech on first turn (of course, we know no way of achieving this, but never mind )

          Keep techs secret.

          Quick start mod: I don't mind.

          Don't ban any techs.

          I don't mind about the wonders.

          Those setttings look OK to me.

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          • #35
            Settings look good, keep wonders.

            Now we just need the actual Mod...
            I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

            Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by J Bytheway
              Choose tech on first turn (of course, we know no way of achieving this, but never mind )
              I think, that I have found a way to accomplish that. It's a little bit tricky and not thoroughly tested (as always ).

              The process is as follows:

              1) ~~~~~~~
              Start a PBEM game as usual, note the settings and what you enter in the "Setup Email Game" dialog (names, email addresses). Send the notes to the moderator.

              2) ~~~~~~~
              All participants play their turn. The last in row does not send the turn to the first player but to the moderator. All participants tell the moderator which tech they want.

              3) ~~~~~~~
              As the moderator do this:

              3a) ---
              Open the turn file you received and save it (Options --> Save Game). The reason for that is, that file formats are different for the PBEM saved turns and normal saved games. Quit CtP.

              3b) ---
              The tricky part: Use a hex editor to change some bits in the file you just saved (you can find it under [CtP-intall-directory]\ctp_program\ctp\save\games\[directory you entered in the "Save Game" dialog]). I have attached an image, which shows an example and hopefully helps to explain what I mean.

              - Identify the offset into the file, where the map data starts (i.e. search for the boundary of a block of data that consists chiefly of zeros and a block with almost no zeros, the latter extending to the end of the file). This should be between half way and two thirds into the file. If the map data doesn't start at a 16 byte boundary (i.e. at the beginning of a row, if your hex editor shows 16 bytes in a row like the one in the example) then consider the offset to be the one of the beginning of the row (this is where you see the red exclamation mark in the example).

              - Subtract the hexadecimal value of 490 (decimal 1168) from that offset (033c60 in the example) to get another offset (offset_2, 0337d0 in the example).

              - Change the bytes in the row at offset_2 to "01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00". The zeros should already be there, the important positions are marked red in the example.

              - Save the file.

              3c) ---
              Start CtP and open the file in single player mode. Notice that the file is shown in green in the "Load Game" dialog, which means that CtP believes it is a scenario file. You should now see a dialog (caption "Civilization"), which lets you choose one of the civilizations that had been defined in the setup for that game. Choose the civ of the first human player in the game and close the dialog. The "Difficulty" dialog shows up. Select the difficulty according to the notes you received from the player, who did the setup. Close the dialog and see the game loading.

              3d) ---
              Go to cheat mode and give each player the tech she desired. Use the "Save Scenario As" button to save the scenario. Remember the name you enter in the dialog with caption "Message" and text "Please enter a name for this scenario. A scenario is uniquely ...". Quit CtP.

              3e) ---
              Create a minimum scenario pack (the file [CtP-intall-directory]\help\readme.doc explains how to do that; if you did not delete the example scenario pack that comes with version 1.2, you can modify that). You only need the files "packlist.txt" and "scen0000\scenario.txt". In the latter file (1st line), name the scenario exactly as you did in the dialog from 3d). Copy the file you saved in 3d) to the "scen0000" folder of your scenario and name it "savegame.csg".

              3f) ---
              Start CtP and setup a new PBEM game, using the settings you have been told. Select the scenario you have created. The "Setup Email Game" shows up immediately after picking the scenario. Enter the names and email addresses and hit "OK".

              3g) ---
              Save the game and send the file to the first player in row.

              4) ~~~~~~~
              Continue the game as nothing had happened...


              Thanks for reading that far and sorry for the lengthy explanation.
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              • #37
                That is indeed complicated... If you're prepared to do it then great .

                An alternate method would be to write a SLIC trigger to offer the player a choice between several options which they had chosen before the start of the game.

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                • #38
                  That should be possible. Good idea .

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                  • #39
                    Welcome J.Bytheway !

                    update / corrected :

                    players:
                    Mathemagician, Protoss72000, FlameFlash, Grandpa Troll, J.Bytheway

                    votes:

                    A) Choose the tech ?

                    on the first turn - 5 votes (Math, Protoss, Flame, Troll, J.Bytheway)

                    B) Keep techs secret ?

                    yes, secret - 5 votes (Math, Protoss, Flame, Troll, J.Bytheway)

                    C) Use QuickStart Mod ?

                    no - 3 votes (Math, Protoss, Troll)
                    yes - 1 vote (Flame)

                    D) Ban Wormhole Sensor ?

                    no - 3 votes (Math, Flame, Troll)

                    E) Ban any wonders ?

                    no - 2 votes (Math, FlameFlash)
                    yes - 1 vote (Troll)

                    @Hatschy
                    You're the greatest ! I think id really like to have you as moderator.
                    if you can do it the way you described, and its okay for you to do it, id say we choose the tech on the first turn, else J.Bytheway's suggestion, and if neither, we just choose it before the game.

                    also, id like to suggest we use PowerSlic 2.0.
                    it gives more message boxes which is very helpful and it allows you to pump settlers into cities of sizes 2-6 and which gives the city 1 population unit and half the settler's cost as production. this might be very useful for building anything expensive gained from the tech.
                    so:

                    F) Shall we use Power Slic 2 ?

                    yes - 1 vote (Math)
                    Last edited by Mathemagician; February 11, 2004, 06:14.
                    Baal: "You dare mock me ?"
                    O'Neill: "Baal, c'mon, you should know ... Of course I dare mock you."

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                    • #40
                      How is power slic 2 enacted?

                      If it's a scenario, I'm all for it and would like a copy of it, if it's some kind of a .txt modification then since my Mac might not like it.
                      I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

                      Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by FlameFlash
                        How is power slic 2 enacted?

                        If it's a scenario, I'm all for it and would like a copy of it, if it's some kind of a .txt modification then since my Mac might not like it.
                        you can find the power slic here:


                        it modifies some text files, especially the script.slc, but im quite certain only the game starter needs it.

                        -----
                        edit, 22.07.04:

                        im quite certain only the game starter needs it.
                        i have to correct myself here. Power Slic would be needed by all players.
                        just for correctness' sake. we are not using it anyway.
                        Last edited by Mathemagician; July 22, 2004, 06:21.
                        Baal: "You dare mock me ?"
                        O'Neill: "Baal, c'mon, you should know ... Of course I dare mock you."

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                        • #42
                          ..I play soooo much CTP with PBEM & Online that I am definetly NOT..PERIOD into altering my files..as I have some scenarios for myself and its bad enuff now that I have to boot up my 98SE OS to play MP CTP with the FAT32 vs NTSF file situation, if the host could do it fine then I dont have to worry about loading and unloading some files for this game or that game.

                          My question my great experts in the field of SLIC..ness..

                          Whats to stop a person from simply SLIC'ing up a normal PBEM game, if only the host needs it, whats to say a person couldnt simply do it then the other(s) player(s) would not be the wiser?

                          I seen and heard some funky stuff, just wanted to ask is all..oh and PULLLLLEEEAASSEE..

                          dont shove the old "Honor" Code down my throat..that went out the window when the first person got his @R$E whooped severaly..no not all cheat or tweak..but if the right person did..would we really know it?

                          Ok..on to the Vote


                          NO POWER SLIC2.0 for Grandpa Troll

                          Peace

                          Grandpa "Givin-it-all-I-Got" Troll
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                          • #43
                            SLIC is saved with the save game, so only SLIC which is present on the computer of the person who starts the game is relevant.

                            (Actually this is an oversimplification: There are circumstances in which players could abuse SLIC but it's not easy.)

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by J Bytheway
                              SLIC is saved with the save game, so only SLIC which is present on the computer of the person who starts the game is relevant.

                              (Actually this is an oversimplification: There are circumstances in which players could abuse SLIC but it's not easy.)
                              Fair enuff

                              Grandpa-"Agrees-&-Understands" Troll
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                              • #45
                                Ah... still would rather it be a scenario without need of replacing files... I hate doing that.

                                I read the description though, doesn't sound too bad so I'll remain a neutral party on it.
                                I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...

                                Civ and WoW are my crack... just one... more... turn...

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