Harlan's Actual famous leaders

[Depp]

I would personally have noting agaisnt playing hitler, in fact i don´t think many others mind either. Since in WW2 games alot more want´s to play the germans than english or american, although they won the war.

Playing mussolini would be another thing, as well allying with him, hehe

[Alanus]

Depp,
You can play with whoever leader you want, but disputable characters shouldn't be the default case, and I don't think that German people would be very pleased to be viewed only as 'Hitlers'. Not all the Germans were Nazis anyway in the 30's / 40's. I also play WWII wargames (such as Squad Leader) and I don't feel like I'm playing Hitler when playing a German squad or division.
All in all, it is a matter of compromise and respect of others.

[Big Dave]

I suspect the reason that Hitler has such a bad reputation compared to Mao and others is that he was attempting genocide, and in one case nearly succeded. He wiped out half the Jews in Europe (either 6 million or 12 million, I forget), and nearly all of the Romny (Gypsy) people, not to mention starting a world war.

[Richard_III]

Harlan,
I also thought the WWII units pack was great. Nobody uses the ratings. Indeed, if you ask me (and even if you don't ) I'd say to just get rid of that functionality -- the results are nonsense, especially in this case.
(Now do I use the thumbs-up symbol for Harlan, or the thumbs-down symbol for the rating system? Hmmm, Thumbs Up is a brand of soft drink in India. Nasty stuff... Thumbs down it is....)

[Depp]

Big Dave, The entire war and all the killing wern´t even half as many as Mao were responisble for in China.
It´s just beacuse we europeans couldn´t care less about china really...

In squad leader you don´t play hitler, but in diplomacy or world in flames you do, but that doesn´t matter really.

im fine with both ways

[John LeMaitre]

Harlan & group --

I'll be uploading my pics and civs when I can perfect them, and if anyone's interested. I am presently having a problem whereby three of my civs' leader pics are not showing up, but are instead greenish static. Have you run into a similar problem, and if so how did you circumvent it?

My pics are actually photos of contemporary works of art showing the leader -- a statue of Thutmose III, a photo of Hitler, a painting of Jefferson. If you folks are interested --Holler!


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[Grand Master Fe Long]

I'm I getting the wrong idea but it seem to me that people think Hitler wasn't that bad because he didn't kill as many people as Mao - that argument is completely stupid! Anyway 1940 Britain stood alone. The USA didn't want to get involved in a foreign war and at that time and Russia was still technically allies with the Nazis, so if Britain would have be conquered Germany could have made a European super state which would have had the power to invade Asia and the USA who at the time were not much of a world power. So than think to yourselves how many people would have die at Hitler's hands considering he killed off many of the Jews, Gypsies and many other ethic groups, and do you think he would have stopped there, he probably would have killed anyone who was not of the "Aryan Race". So that would mean if you didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes maybe you would have been sent to a death camp. Now tell me Hitler wasn't that Evil!

[Harlan]

I just sent back the Garibaldi picture to Alanus, after I had touched it up a bit to improve the colors and so on. People here have a lot of comments on Hitler, but does anybody feel strongly on having Mussolini vs. Garibaldi for the default Italian leader, now that we have two to choose from?

John the problem you're probably having with the green lines thing is that the files are saved as the wrong type. For instance 24 bit tga instead of 16 bit tga. Simply resave in the other form. Please send me some of your leaders- I'd like to check them out. The best email to reach me at is harlant@earthlink.net.

[madcow23]

Grand Master, I don't think anyone's arguing that Hitler "isn't that bad" - everyone seems to accept that he was thoroughly evil! I think people were just pointing out that it's easy to overlook Mao, who was as bad if not worse. When you're talking about atrocities on the scale committed by these two gentlemen, it's impossible to rank one as being "more" evil than the other.

Harlan, my personal preference would be to have the "safe" option as the default, whether it be Garibaldi, Bismarck or whoever, and clear instructions on how to change this choice if people wish to. That's only a personal preference though and I know other people here will disagree. Should we have a vote, or leave it to your discretion?

[Depp]

Grandmaster, noone was saying that! I thought that was so obvious that one does not have to state, that hitler was evil. Maybe more so than mao, but whatever the case, i just thought it odd that hitler was banned and mao and stalin wasn´t.

[Goebel]

As far as leaders go, you can pick who you want. First, this is a game, second we're covering thousands of years, past and future,
you can have any diplomat photo you want, the diplomats are not the leaders. Who has any idea of who famous diplomats were, or what they looked like.

For instance, using the techniques that Harlan taught, I took a scanned photo of myself, pasted the American flag in the background, and went into the civ_str to make myself the default leader of the U.S. I didn't like the picture of Moses in Harlan's mod, so I found a good one of Charlton Heston from the "Ten Commandments" and pasted in the tablets in the background. For the Thai leader, I used Yul Bryner, "The King of Siam". I think Catherine Zeta Jones is a knockout, so, from "Mask of Zorro", I used her as the Mexican diplomat. Oh, and I got a photo of Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra, etc, etc. Think of famous movie roles, costume shots and on and on. They all look and work great.

[JamesJKirk]

Catherine Zeta-Jones is Welsh. Just a small quip.

[Goebel]

I know, just like Yul Bryner was Russian not Thai, formerly known as Siamese, nor Elizabeth Taylor Egyptian. But I am looking for good color photos of attractive people in traditional costumes, which seem to be found through the Hollywood connection.

[Savant]

You go Harlan!

Your work has been great and I always patch my CTP with it.

Please keep creating good work.

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'Blood will run'