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22.sept 1999:
Since I have seen no comments to my idea, I have decided to make a try (modpack) of my own.
As I'm not an eagle to this stuff I don't expect to have anything usefull before X-mas.
Warning: I will be stealing and borrowing all I can from all y others having it up-to-date with latest patch/powerslic/cd mod/harlan mod/tp mod and what else I find interesting. I will give credits to y all - but don't hit me, if/when I forgot to include one og two of y.
But I still is missing pics of ships from the medieval and renaissance ages.
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Phalanx against tanks – maybe I have a solution.
I have tried two small games using several lines of the special flag: Government_type ON ALL UNITS.
I have NOT played the games to end, so I don’t know, whether the game crashes or do something ”funny” later on.
It looks like that if you or the AI changes to a government, which don’t allow the unit-type, the unit(s) simply disapper – gone – lost – out. Just as the slavers and clerics do.
I’m not 100% sure, but it looks like it works….. Hope someone will try it and tell me if I’m right or wrong.
This makes some ”exciting” situations. Cityes suddenly are undefended, loss of happiness and things like that.
I’m not able to make a complete mod - I would probably have too many misspelling around. But I know from this forum, that several of you can. Feel free to use my idea (if it works) with or without credits.
All units should have government_anarchy. The acient units also also government_tyranny. Some government_city_state, some government_monarchy and some government_theocracy. And so on for the rest of the units.
Of course loosing alle units of a special type costs lot of produktion and/or gold – but anyway. Having an army is costly. You can make the shield-cost for units cheaper then – if you like.
Now this is not really funny yet (I think).
To play like this we have to use a lot of unit-types for each ”age”. And more ages. And for governments. Maybe more improvements.
First til units: We have most of the types I can think of. You (some of you) have made them. I think we only are missing some vessel-types in the medieval and renaissance-ages and some scouts/jeeps through all the ages. Most of my suggestion are already made by you, but anyway. Here they are in no special order:
UNIT_AIGIS_CRUISER, UNIT_ARMOR (old tank), UNIT_BAZOOKA, UNIT_CARAVEL, UNIT_FRIGATE, UNIT_CATAPULT, UNIT_CATAPULT_TRIREME, UNIT_CROSSBOWMAN, UNIT_CRUISER, UNIT_ELEPHANT, UNIT_FANATICS, UNIT_GUARD, UNIT_HEAVY_TANK, UNIT_HORSEMAN, UNIT_HUNTER, UNIT_INFANTERY, UNIT_IRONCLAD, UNIT_HOWITZER,
UNIT_LIGHT_TANK (jeep?), UNIT_MEDIUM_TANK, UNIT_MOUNTED_SCOUT, UNIT_NOBLE, UNIT_RIFLEMAN, UNIT_SATELITE, UNIT_STEALTH_FIGHTER, UNIT_STARCRUISER, UNIT_STONESLINGER, UNIT_LANDGANGSBÅD (danish word - don’t know an english name, but is should be a cheap slow little vessel which are able to carry 1 or 2 units on shallow water), UNIT_PMV (again – don’t know the english word, it’s a cheap fast ground unit which can carry 2 units. Problem with this is, it should not be able to carry artillery/tanks/howitzers – can this be solved???).
The Ages. I think I have seen some making an extra age (Medieval? (no misspelling here I hope)). The ages could be: Stone age, Medival age, Renaissance age, Modern age, Genetic age and Diamond age).
So the governments.. I have tried to ”find” some usefull names/types and I have ”grouped” them. Each group should have some speciel advances following them up through the game.
AN GOVERNMENT_ANARCHY
MIL GOVERNMENT_TYRANNY
REP GOVERNMENT_CITY_STATE
MON GOVERNMENT_ANCIENT_KINGDOM
EMP ?? (should this exist now??)
REL ?? (should this exist now??)
DEM Not yet invented.
MIL GOVERNMENT_FEUDALISM
REP GOVERNMENT_BUREAUCRACY
MON GOVERNMENT_KINGDOM
EMP GOVERNMENT_EMPIRE
REL GOVERNMENT_THEOCRACY
DEM Not yet invented.
MIL GOVERNMENT_PEOBLES_REPUBLIC
REP GOVERNMENT_REPUBLIC
MON GOVERNMENT_ENLIGHTED_MONARCHY (Only The King knows what best)
EMP GOVERNMENT_WORLD_EMPIRE
REL ?? (Name, please).
DEM GOVERNMENT_SEMI_DEMOCRACY
MIL GOVERNMENT_FASISM
REP GOVERNMENT_COMMUNISM
MON GOVERNMENT_CONSTITUTIONAL_MONARCHY (The Queen only rules over the Prins (and the Prince (smokes a lot))).
EMP GOVERNMENT_CORPORATION
REL GOVERNMENT_FUNDAMENTALISM
DEM GOVERNMENT_MODERN_DEMOCRACY
MIL ?? (Name, please).
REP GOVERNMENT_THECNOCRACY
MON ?? (Name, please – or out??).
EMP GOVERNMENT_PLANETARY_EMPIRE
REL GOVERNMENT_ECOTOPIA
DEM GOVERNMENT_VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY
AN=anarchy. No changes, all units should have government_type government_anarchy.
MIL=Militant. All ”normal” unit-types should be able to ”make” people happy (high values in: MAX_MARTIAL_LAW_UNITS, MARTIAL_LAW_EFFECT and AT_HOME_RADIUS (say 3 or 4 instead of 2)).
REP=Republic. They make more gold than others (high values in: GOLD_COEF).
MON=Monarchy. They make more food than others. Not sure, but I think we can use the GOV_GROWTH_RANK.
EMP=Empire. Lots of cities far away from capital without loss of happiness (high values in: EMPIRE_DISTANCE_SCALE, MIN_EMPIRE_DISTANCE, MAX_EMPIRE_DISTANCE and maybe AT_HOME_RADIUS (say 3 instead of 2)).
REL=Religious. Use improvements (maybe add church/moske or something like that to the improvements) to make people happy. It’s possible to have different values for happiness under different governments.
DEM=Democracy. Lots of science. (high values in: KNOWLEDGE_COEF). Happy people (make new improvements like parks, local stations (city-railroad or something like this – also to reduce pollution?).
Other values for the Government types have to be tweaked in different ways to balance the game.
[This message has been edited by TheBirdMan (edited September 22, 1999).]
[This message has been edited by TheBirdMan (edited September 22, 1999).]
Since I have seen no comments to my idea, I have decided to make a try (modpack) of my own.
As I'm not an eagle to this stuff I don't expect to have anything usefull before X-mas.
Warning: I will be stealing and borrowing all I can from all y others having it up-to-date with latest patch/powerslic/cd mod/harlan mod/tp mod and what else I find interesting. I will give credits to y all - but don't hit me, if/when I forgot to include one og two of y.
But I still is missing pics of ships from the medieval and renaissance ages.
****
Phalanx against tanks – maybe I have a solution.
I have tried two small games using several lines of the special flag: Government_type ON ALL UNITS.
I have NOT played the games to end, so I don’t know, whether the game crashes or do something ”funny” later on.
It looks like that if you or the AI changes to a government, which don’t allow the unit-type, the unit(s) simply disapper – gone – lost – out. Just as the slavers and clerics do.
I’m not 100% sure, but it looks like it works….. Hope someone will try it and tell me if I’m right or wrong.
This makes some ”exciting” situations. Cityes suddenly are undefended, loss of happiness and things like that.
I’m not able to make a complete mod - I would probably have too many misspelling around. But I know from this forum, that several of you can. Feel free to use my idea (if it works) with or without credits.
All units should have government_anarchy. The acient units also also government_tyranny. Some government_city_state, some government_monarchy and some government_theocracy. And so on for the rest of the units.
Of course loosing alle units of a special type costs lot of produktion and/or gold – but anyway. Having an army is costly. You can make the shield-cost for units cheaper then – if you like.
Now this is not really funny yet (I think).
To play like this we have to use a lot of unit-types for each ”age”. And more ages. And for governments. Maybe more improvements.
First til units: We have most of the types I can think of. You (some of you) have made them. I think we only are missing some vessel-types in the medieval and renaissance-ages and some scouts/jeeps through all the ages. Most of my suggestion are already made by you, but anyway. Here they are in no special order:
UNIT_AIGIS_CRUISER, UNIT_ARMOR (old tank), UNIT_BAZOOKA, UNIT_CARAVEL, UNIT_FRIGATE, UNIT_CATAPULT, UNIT_CATAPULT_TRIREME, UNIT_CROSSBOWMAN, UNIT_CRUISER, UNIT_ELEPHANT, UNIT_FANATICS, UNIT_GUARD, UNIT_HEAVY_TANK, UNIT_HORSEMAN, UNIT_HUNTER, UNIT_INFANTERY, UNIT_IRONCLAD, UNIT_HOWITZER,
UNIT_LIGHT_TANK (jeep?), UNIT_MEDIUM_TANK, UNIT_MOUNTED_SCOUT, UNIT_NOBLE, UNIT_RIFLEMAN, UNIT_SATELITE, UNIT_STEALTH_FIGHTER, UNIT_STARCRUISER, UNIT_STONESLINGER, UNIT_LANDGANGSBÅD (danish word - don’t know an english name, but is should be a cheap slow little vessel which are able to carry 1 or 2 units on shallow water), UNIT_PMV (again – don’t know the english word, it’s a cheap fast ground unit which can carry 2 units. Problem with this is, it should not be able to carry artillery/tanks/howitzers – can this be solved???).
The Ages. I think I have seen some making an extra age (Medieval? (no misspelling here I hope)). The ages could be: Stone age, Medival age, Renaissance age, Modern age, Genetic age and Diamond age).
So the governments.. I have tried to ”find” some usefull names/types and I have ”grouped” them. Each group should have some speciel advances following them up through the game.
AN GOVERNMENT_ANARCHY
MIL GOVERNMENT_TYRANNY
REP GOVERNMENT_CITY_STATE
MON GOVERNMENT_ANCIENT_KINGDOM
EMP ?? (should this exist now??)
REL ?? (should this exist now??)
DEM Not yet invented.
MIL GOVERNMENT_FEUDALISM
REP GOVERNMENT_BUREAUCRACY
MON GOVERNMENT_KINGDOM
EMP GOVERNMENT_EMPIRE
REL GOVERNMENT_THEOCRACY
DEM Not yet invented.
MIL GOVERNMENT_PEOBLES_REPUBLIC
REP GOVERNMENT_REPUBLIC
MON GOVERNMENT_ENLIGHTED_MONARCHY (Only The King knows what best)
EMP GOVERNMENT_WORLD_EMPIRE
REL ?? (Name, please).
DEM GOVERNMENT_SEMI_DEMOCRACY
MIL GOVERNMENT_FASISM
REP GOVERNMENT_COMMUNISM
MON GOVERNMENT_CONSTITUTIONAL_MONARCHY (The Queen only rules over the Prins (and the Prince (smokes a lot))).
EMP GOVERNMENT_CORPORATION
REL GOVERNMENT_FUNDAMENTALISM
DEM GOVERNMENT_MODERN_DEMOCRACY
MIL ?? (Name, please).
REP GOVERNMENT_THECNOCRACY
MON ?? (Name, please – or out??).
EMP GOVERNMENT_PLANETARY_EMPIRE
REL GOVERNMENT_ECOTOPIA
DEM GOVERNMENT_VIRTUAL_DEMOCRACY
AN=anarchy. No changes, all units should have government_type government_anarchy.
MIL=Militant. All ”normal” unit-types should be able to ”make” people happy (high values in: MAX_MARTIAL_LAW_UNITS, MARTIAL_LAW_EFFECT and AT_HOME_RADIUS (say 3 or 4 instead of 2)).
REP=Republic. They make more gold than others (high values in: GOLD_COEF).
MON=Monarchy. They make more food than others. Not sure, but I think we can use the GOV_GROWTH_RANK.
EMP=Empire. Lots of cities far away from capital without loss of happiness (high values in: EMPIRE_DISTANCE_SCALE, MIN_EMPIRE_DISTANCE, MAX_EMPIRE_DISTANCE and maybe AT_HOME_RADIUS (say 3 instead of 2)).
REL=Religious. Use improvements (maybe add church/moske or something like that to the improvements) to make people happy. It’s possible to have different values for happiness under different governments.
DEM=Democracy. Lots of science. (high values in: KNOWLEDGE_COEF). Happy people (make new improvements like parks, local stations (city-railroad or something like this – also to reduce pollution?).
Other values for the Government types have to be tweaked in different ways to balance the game.
[This message has been edited by TheBirdMan (edited September 22, 1999).]
[This message has been edited by TheBirdMan (edited September 22, 1999).]
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