Domn freeciv!

[sigra]

quote: Originally posted by Rasputin00 on 05-15-2000 05:07 AM As one of the unenlightend ones still using Windows fro mno fault of my own except that all my software only runs in windows, I would love to have a Win version, but as it seems most Windows users are not programmers and most Linux ones are, we will probalby never get a decent port to windows....

You got it right! If you use Windows and want linuxprograms, either switch over to Linux or become a programmer so you can port. But if you then have become a programmer you would most likely want to switch over to linux anyway and hence loose interest in porting to windows (unless you would get paid for it, which you won't). You would find more interesting ways to contribute to freeciv, like AI or 3d-rendering. Maybe you would even think it is good that there is no windows port so that freeciv could become that "killer application" that linux needs.

[Thue]

Heh, yes. Once you know enough to port freeciv you will per definition know enough about linux and have realized it is cool, so losing interest in windows

[Kumiorava]

And so once again we come to the same conclusion:

A Windows port for Freeciv sure would be cool, but in the end there just isn't any point in making one, since by the time the port is ready, Windows/Microsoft will be long dead and buried in its monopolistic crap, and everyone will be using Linux or some other Unix.

[Rasputin00]

Me thinks you all underestimate the magic of wee Billy, he will never allow his Windows to die.!!!!!!!

Watch out for a Microsoft Deal soon !!!!!

[Kumiorava]

A Microsoft Deal, huh? Where? With whom? The US Supreme Court, perhaps?

[sigra]

quote: Since Windows is much more widely used than Amiga, I'm a little surprised now that there isn't one for Win. Maby the Win-folks are happy playing their commercial versions of the Civ genre games, and don't give a damn about some "opensource thing".

Stop screaming for a windows port of freeciv. If you can spend money on Windows you can just as well spend money on commercial civ games!

[Kumiorava]

Nobody said anything about buying Windows. I wouldn't, even if I used it.

[Mark von Wagner]

As a programmer who is comfortable with both Windows and Linux, I have the skills needed to port FreeCiv to Windows. I even have some incentive to do so, since the faster of the two modems in my computer only works under Windows. What I don't have is the hundreds of hours of free time that porting FreeCiv would take.

[sammyboy7]

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[sigra]

quote: Originally posted by Kumiorava on 05-19-2000 04:05 PM Nobody said anything about buying Windows. I wouldn't, even if I used it.

The point is that if you can use Windows without buying it you can just as well use commercial civgames ...

[Kumiorava]

Money is not the problem for most of us, I asume. One could get a copy of Windows from somewhere, and a commercial Civ game as well. However, the main point of Freeciv existance isn't so much that it's free, even if the name suggests it, but that the code is open and under constant developement in which anyone can participate. It's truly a game by the players, and even though many of the players don't activly take part in the developement, thay still rather play Freeciv than a commercial game, because they know that they hold the power to change game and help make it a superior product. And the developers, they take plure pleasure out from staring at that code all day, trying to make some little feature work. This might seem strange to somebody not familiar with open source developers, but the fact is that making an OS app or a game is a hobby to most of them. They us it to fight the stress of their daily lives and to get massive ego boosts. There is much more to a game like Freeciv than just pure playing, more than any commercial game could ever possibly offer.

[sigra]

quote: Originally posted by Thue on 05-20-2000 12:33 PM I resent that. Freeciv have enough cool features to compete! Besides, I like to have access to the code.

Not that I'm going back to commercial games myself now but I really miss some things from Alpha Centauri:

1. Social Engineering!
2. Tiles have heights. Allows ridges, craters, volcanos, deep sea valleys, shallows, highlands...
3. Unit workshop.
4. AI handling diplomacy, planetary council.
5. Great story with texts, animations and sounds.

I really loved this game for a while until I wanted to create my own faction and discovered it was not possible because of something known as the "red field limit" (which means that you can only customize 8 variables of a special kind). I could not do anything about it without access to the source code.

If i was a programmer I would implement this stuff in Freeciv right away, but unfortunately my programming knowledge is limited to a 5 week university course in Ada95 (the course is about to end right now and I'm getting the highest grade!), and some home experiments with javascript.
Maybe I will take a year off and take some more programming courses so I can help with freeciv.

If you haven't tested Alpha Centauri you should really take a look at it because it is great!

[sigra]

quote: Originally posted by Kumiorava on 05-20-2000 04:44 PM Money is not the problem for most of us, I asume. One could get a copy of Windows from somewhere, and a commercial Civ game as well. However, the main point of Freeciv existance isn't so much that it's free, even if the name suggests it, but that the code is open and under constant developement in which anyone can participate. It's truly a game by the players, and even though many of the players don't activly take part in the developement, thay still rather play Freeciv than a commercial game, because they know that they hold the power to change game and help make it a superior product. And the developers, they take plure pleasure out from staring at that code all day, trying to make some little feature work. This might seem strange to somebody not familiar with open source developers, but the fact is that making an OS app or a game is a hobby to most of them. They us it to fight the stress of their daily lives and to get massive ego boosts. There is much more to a game like Freeciv than just pure playing, more than any commercial game could ever possibly offer.

I understand what you mean but i think most windows users are not able to appreciate what open source has to offer. I guess when they look at the source code of freeciv they understand about as much as you understand when you look at the binary of Alpha Centauri. To them open source is actually still closed source. When they want a feature implemented (which they can't implement themselves) they can just as well nag the Firaxis company as the freeciv-dev mailing list. They will probably have more success at Firaxis because it is a company that has commercial motivation to implement the features as opposite to open source programmers who add the features they want most.

If Windows users where the kind of people who could appreciate it they would not be windows users! That is why windows users can just as well use commercial civgames while users like you can't.

[Thue]

I resent that. Freeciv have enough cool features to compete!
Besides, I like to have access to the code.

[sammyboy7]

i don't knwo why you guys are still debating this.. ther'es nothing to debate any more and you guys are just making th same points over and over and over again!