Beyond Alpha Centauri:::: Discussion Thread 5

[Sprayber]

I'm not wanting another war either. But what would you expect the Spartans to do when they learn that Hive warships have entered the conflict? They would rather not, but they can't be expected to sit back and just let the Hive interfere in what Sparta considers a very sensitive area. I understand that the Spartans couldn't do anything to stop the Hive ships from destroying the Cadre fleet, but you can expect a fleet to be sent and destroy any and all ships that present a threat in that system. It can't be much of a surprise who has sent them. I mean this guy wants to fight the Spartans anyway, so it shouldn't be a surprise when Spartan Marines show up with a fleet or maybe two to back it up. Once the Hive fleet shows up and does their job, the Spartans will not be unable to keep from being involved.

To be clear. the Spartans do not want to get involved. They would rather stay out of it, but the involvement of the Hive or any third party in the Cadre civil war will not be ignored by Sparta. The pressure on Kessel is already great for not fighting on with the Terrans and for not fighting the Hive. For him to not counter a move such as this would mean him loosing respect from the military.

[GeneralTacticus]

Yeah, I can understand that. I was just wondering how far either side is actually willing to go. I really don't want another full-scale war either - though maybe this could turn into a Korean War-style thing, with the fighting confined to the Cadre system?

[Sprayber]

How about this.

After the Cadre ships are destroyed, the Spartans(with or without being asked?) sets up a blockade of the system preventing all ships from leaving or entering the system. The cadre can fight their war on the planet and if the hive tries to send anymore ships or troops in they would be attacked by the Spartan fleets blockading the system.

[GeneralTacticus]

That sounds like a pretty good idea. What would the Spartan reaction be if it looked like Lysander was about to win?

[Lonestar]

Psst! I need y'all to mosy over to the OT and vote for the AECCP in the election!

Thanks.

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Psst! I need y'all to mosy over to the OT and vote for the AECCP in the election!

Thanks.

I already did.

I understand completely that Sparta would feel the need to intervene. Even the Drones would probably be itching to jump in (the Administration is currently very anti-Hive). Firaxis would be very wary of armies charging into the Borderlands.

So, whatever you decide is cool with me; I'll shape my charges' reactions accordingly.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
That sounds like a pretty good idea. What would the Spartan reaction be if it looked like Lysander was about to win?

Good question. Considering the fact that Lysander wants a war with Sparta, I think the Spartans would quickly do whatever was necessary to render the Cadre sterile. They wouldn't attempt a full invasion I don't think, but would destroy all space stations, ships, and destroy major industrial centers. In effect, they would attempt to strip the Cadre of it's ability to leave the planet. I don't know how many people are on the planet so I don't know how difficult that would be. If Lysander was more resonable, Sparta really wouldn't care who was in charge. But if he pursues with his war with Sparta, then there wouldn't be much choice for the Spartans. If it is proven that the new government intends to ally with the Hive then I can't see a reason why the Spartans would risk having the Cadre at Sparta's back while it fights the Hive. Laekaemon would have to be removed from the equation before the Hive is confronted.

[GeneralTacticus]

Well, Lysander is basically obsessed with the idea of destroying Sparta, so there's pretty much no prospect of him being resonable (for him, being 'reasonable' constitues killing any Spartan you see, and any that you don't see as well). The whole thing isn't so much a power stuggle as a stuggle over ideology. Lysander wuld have no problem with Menelaus if it wasn't for the alliance with the Spartans

If the Spartans decided to essentially hamstring the Cadre as you suggested, the difficulty would largely depend on the amount of effort they put in. Considering that Sparta has more soldiers than Laekdaemon has people, I doubt it would be that hard unless:

a) The Hive made a pretty massive intervention,

and/or

b) The Spartans didn't send enough troops in.

[Mr. President]

What is Lysander's motivation for seeking the destruction of Sparta? Just interested for background.

[GeneralTacticus]

1) He has no idea what fighting the Spartans was like before (he joined up right before the cease-fire), so he doesn't doubt that Sparta can be defeated.

2) He believes totally in the original Cadre ideology, which required the overthrow of the Spartan government.

3) He has absolutely no trust at all in the Spartans, after the last Leonidas (Menelaus' predecessor) was assassinated.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
1) He has no idea what fighting the Spartans was like before (he joined up right before the cease-fire), so he doesn't doubt that Sparta can be defeated.

2) He believes totally in the original Cadre ideology, which required the overthrow of the Spartan government.

3) He has absolutely no trust at all in the Spartans, after the last Leonidas (Menelaus' predecessor) was assassinated.

Maybe Lysander needs a demonstration of what Sparta can do when properly motivated.

[GeneralTacticus]

That's exactly what he needs, exactly what he didn't get, and exactly what he will (hopefully) get in future.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Well, Lysander is basically obsessed with the idea of destroying Sparta, so there's pretty much no prospect of him being resonable (for him, being 'reasonable' constitues killing any Spartan you see, and any that you don't see as well). The whole thing isn't so much a power stuggle as a stuggle over ideology. Lysander wuld have no problem with Menelaus if it wasn't for the alliance with the Spartans

If the Spartans decided to essentially hamstring the Cadre as you suggested, the difficulty would largely depend on the amount of effort they put in. Considering that Sparta has more soldiers than Laekdaemon has people, I doubt it would be that hard unless:

a) The Hive made a pretty massive intervention,

and/or

b) The Spartans didn't send enough troops in.

There isnt really an alliance with the Spartans. Just no fighting. Is Lysander's opinion a popular one in the population or do most of the population simply want to get on with life? What precentage of the population support war with Sparta and which want to build.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
That's exactly what he needs, exactly what he didn't get, and exactly what he will (hopefully) get in future.

Do I detect some ideas floating around? What do you have in mind?

[Frankychan]

The Hive roleplay as Austria-Hungary? Well! I never! (j/k)

[sarcasm]Yang has absolutely no idea what Kessel is talking about concerning the Cadre....as you can see by the Hive's latest post [sarcasm]