Beyond Alpha Centauri:::: Discussion Thread 4

[Frankychan]

hmmmm,

Sprayber- I don't think that you need to edit your post. I'll edit my draft before posting it explaining the Spartan message and Yang's response. I'll make it sound like the message was received, ignored, and then have the Hive response.

About Ian giving the Morganites Sheng-ji's comm...Lonestar and History Guy- would it be alright if you both posted something about Ian giving Nwabudike Yang's comm?

Samnos shtuff- Well, the reason I wanted the Hive to have Samnos was to give a little insight on Hive society after it has taken over a populated planet. But Samnos would be a different story, it would be more 'WWII' occupation rather than the ideal Hive colonization/social re-education.

I'm thinking of getting Silence and Cybergod more involved with the Hive....I'll tell you two what I'm thinking of when things get more clear.

BTW, where's Sovereign???

[Frankychan]

Mellian- Can we please have more collaboration? I just checked the story thread after two days and see that:

1) Terrans come into Samnos/Naxos territory with guns blazing.

(Now this isn't a problem seeing that you and History Guy worked out the editing)

But it seems to me like the Hive was fighting the Spartan/Morgan ships when the Terrans jump in, fight past the defenses, and commence planetary bombardment. AND while their doing all this, order the Hive not to land troops on the planet.


Looking back at the thread, History Guy-what happened to all the Morganite ships in the Samnos system? I was looking to see if they left or are still there and couldn't find anything about it.

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Mellian
-No, it is not a threat, it is something pirates would do. There would be openings and opportunities for the Pirates to take advantage of if the Spartans, Drones and so on focus on TA during a war.

Either way I do not accept this. It's all just a little too convenient. And if the Pirates are scattered and dis-united, how is it possible for them to cause such problems for the largest militaries in this sector without even being scratched by the retaliation?

You used threatening language in your previous post, and that is what still shocks and disappoints me. You are not the only one writing this story, and I can take my writings elsewhere if need be.

[History Guy]

Franky-- That plan with the commlink sounds good to me.

As for the scene of the Hive fighting when the Terrans come, that was due to the original plan, before LMP came in. 1st would come you, then I would post, and then Kassiopeia would.

As for the ships at Samnos, LMP has posted that they were all wiped out and that the Terrans are surrounding Samnos now and making drops.

Mr. President-- I agree most heartily. It is very strangely convienent. The fact that my Novan mercenaries are being bribed into desertion is as well.

I hope that things don't get so bad that you leave, Mr. President, as you are definently a great writer, and BAC would be very damaged without your input.

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by frankychan
I'm thinking of getting Silence and Cybergod more involved with the Hive....I'll tell you two what I'm thinking of when things get more clear.

Hmm... sounds lucrative! I mean talking about making deals with the devil

History Guy should I write about the exchange of techs? If you wish and are too busy to do so yourself - no problem. Just describe your characters who will be involved and your ship...

--Nikola

[Sprayber]

Just so we have a little idea of what we are talking about.

Please note that there are 3 unclaimed stars(blue) that the Terrans have availiable to them to colonize. Yet there is no mention of them being interested in peaceful expansion.

http://www.geocities.com/beyondalphacentauri/starmaps.html

[Sprayber]

History guy: I just feel sorry for poor Delbar. Having to put up with the distractions such the incessant chatter of all those girls and all. Poor guy.


I must remind myself to keep Spartan Personel from this place. Or they might become corrupted in the ways of the Morganites A Spartan in a place like that would be fish out of water. They would be overwhelmed.

[Mellian]

Can you not honestly not see the position of the Spartan Federation? In your opinion do you think that the Spartans are not going to defend their ally the Morganites? The Drones are also allies with both Sparta and Morgan. As for the Believers. They were declared war upon.

I DO and I DID and STILL DO expected the Spartans and so on to help the Morganites. Just saying that diplomaticly, they are helping the aggressor and this ceding of territory to a fellow ally which the enemy didn't declare war on during a the attack of three systems is silly, and cannot seriously expect to make much difference... The Spartans is just asking to get to war, and like TA, try not to ge considered the Aggressor. Anyway, doesn't stop Kerensky from trying to convince Kessel within the story

Okay, lets be In Character on TAF's point of view

1. Sparta's ally Morgan was attacked by InEN

Where is the proof? That is just an assumption, and for all you know, could be that Black whatever group.

2. Morgan was attacked again by InEn at a peace conference

yes, but TAF will discover that the Captain tried to avoid in destroying the ship, while trying not to get in trouble by his superiors...which may involve more then just court martial and fired. ALSO, Earth Coalition witnessing what was happening emediatetly took action by telling InEn to stop attacking.

3. Morgan demanded that the Terrans do something.

No such message was received

4. Terrans ignored all talk on the matter.

thats making assumptions...this is more of a "the gods lack of availibity" thing

5 Sparta warned EC and Terran alliance to settle dispute before war

TA wasn't considering war at this point, just annoyed with InEn and pretty much put InEn in a in-council trial.

6. Morgan attacked InEn on Callisto

This when the schism between TA and MI started...the morganites chose military force instead of diplomacy to solve the matter. They entered Sol in force and was attacking a member, which the TAF is required by their Charter to defend, even if they were currently on Trial.

7. Then the Terrans woke up from their nap

TA started responding and questioning InEn about the InEn and MI freighters attacking each other.

8. Sparta again warned EC and TA to settle dispute

yes, just a warning...and due to the "gods lack of availibity", no reply was sent from TA.

9 Terrans expelled Morgan from Callisto

The morganites were violating TA territory, and taken over Callisto from InEn, a member. So the TAF was required per their charter to respond to the threat, which as attacked more then just InEn at this point, becoming more of a Morganites being aggresive towards TA thing.

10. Morgan attacked Capella

The attack and capture of Capella was uncalled for and had nothing to do with the InEn situation. TA sees the morganites as the aggressor, and possibly orchestrated this whole InEn situation from the start so they can possibly have an excuse to attack TA, but won't act upon that idea as there still not proof.
It is now that the Council considers the idea of Declaring War on the aggresive Morganites.

11. Terrans declared war on Morgan

Kerensky convinces the Council to declare war, on the judgement that TA should not allow themselves to be pushed around and intimidated. That TA should push back, proving themselves to the Chironians that they are not to be toyed with. So, the TAF taking control of the war effort and leading the member forces begins, preparing for the attacks, which will happen soon after the Declaretion of War from TA to the Morganites.

12. Sparta yet again asks for a settlement from both EC and TA

(I personally think that Stormhill's reply should be edited slightly concerning some details) TA responded, pretty much saying that they are willing once they taken control of the three systems currently being attacked. Anyway, Sparta's message came AFTER TA forces started attacking.

13. Terrans invade Cooperate Sector

In retaliation against the Aggressors, the same thing the Spartans would do i would think...and considering to do against TA.

14. Sparta convinces Morgan to cede Cooperate Sector

TAF doesn't recognizes this ceding of territory, and possibly just another ploy to try to get the Spartans involve in the war as well, trying to avoid being considered as the Aggressors as well. TAF and the Spartan Federation as many things in common, i tell you.

15. Terrans currently still are attacking Spartan territory now.

TA is currently still attacking MORGANITE territory, in retaliation for the attack and capture of Capella.

Did I forget anything? This is What Kessel sees when he runs the situation down. This is what he goes by.

I stated the TAF's and TA's views, and thats what they are going by.

So are you saying that Sparta should abandon their ally and allow the Terrans to become a large superpower?

Nowhere did i said that the Spartans should abandon their ally, just saying this war as nothing to do with the Spartan Federation and that the Morganites are actually the Aggressors. I may personally want to seeTA become a superpower, but IC wise, TA is not basing its actions on that idea. Nothing wrong for Kerensky to personally try to make Kessel understand TA's views.

The Pks have become a power by actually coloninzing planets without conquest. What prevents the TA from doing the same. as I look at the map there seems plenty of room. Hell even the Spartans have only taken two planets by force since they left Chiron and they gave one back.

Plenty of room? TA isn't to fond of colonizing barren to worser worlds. Not quite the idea places for colonies. the Chironians pretty much already took all of the good habitable planets as they had first dibs.

Now that I think about it. when the map was being done. Terrans only claimed Sol and Capella. I gave them Wolf and Ross because I thought they might want a little room to breath. Maybe I was too generous.

I always saw TA being more then small and inferior...but no one else shared that and acted upon the opposite ideas. I couldn't do much earlier do to lack of availibity and other things.

-LMP

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mellian
Where is the proof? That is just an assumption, and for all you know, could be that Black whatever group.

Didn't InEn admit as much when they killed a Morgan Official and tried to destroy the Morganite dimplomates?

yes, but TAF will discover that the Captain tried to avoid in destroying the ship, while trying not to get in trouble by his superiors...which may involve more then just court martial and fired. ALSO, Earth Coalition witnessing what was happening emediatetly took action by telling InEn to stop attacking.

So you admit that his superiors wanted to destroy the Morganites while there was no war?

TA wasn't considering war at this point, just annoyed with InEn and pretty much put InEn in a in-council trial.

Their lack of control of their members cause this whole bloody thing. Morganites had been killed, and the TA was annoyed at InEN.

This when the schism between TA and MI started...the morganites chose military force instead of diplomacy to solve the matter. They entered Sol in force and was attacking a member, which the TAF is required by their Charter to defend, even if they were currently on Trial.

How convinent that the TA acts against others but takes it's time when their own people commit murder

TA started responding and questioning InEn about the InEn and MI freighters attacking each other.

At this point it was too little too late. The damage had been done.

The morganites were violating TA territory, and taken over Callisto from InEn, a member. So the TAF was required per their charter to respond to the threat, which as attacked more then just InEn at this point, becoming more of a Morganites being aggresive towards TA thing.

Another instanace of selective indignation.

The attack and capture of Capella was uncalled for and had nothing to do with the InEn situation. TA sees the morganites as the aggressor, and possibly orchestrated this whole InEn situation from the start so they can possibly have an excuse to attack TA, but won't act upon that idea as there still not proof.
It is now that the Council considers the idea of Declaring War on the aggresive Morganites.

A small military power such as the Morgans that rely on free acces to markets and peace for their Business dealings. The Hive sure. Hell, maybe even the Spartans. But the Morgans?

Kerensky convinces the Council to declare war, on the judgement that TA should not allow themselves to be pushed around and intimidated. That TA should push back, proving themselves to the Chironians that they are not to be toyed with. So, the TAF taking control of the war effort and leading the member forces begins, preparing for the attacks, which will happen soon after the Declaretion of War from TA to the Morganites.

It seems the Terrans have an inferiority complex. That dangerous when your going up against 4 powers. All of which by the way wanted to find a peaceful solution.

(I personally think that Stormhill's reply should be edited slightly concerning some details) TA responded, pretty much saying that they are willing once they taken control of the three systems currently being attacked. Anyway, Sparta's message came AFTER TA forces started attacking.

LOL. Sparta will now be willing to talk peace when they occupy Wolf and Ross

TAF doesn't recognizes this ceding of territory, and possibly just another ploy to try to get the Spartans involve in the war as well, trying to avoid being considered as the Aggressors as well. TAF and the Spartan Federation as many things in common, i tell you.

Doesnt matter weither the Terrans recognize it or not, its Fact. Now Spartans will be fighting for Spartan Lands. And I don't care about how tough your terrans are. There are no better soldiers than those in the Spartan Federation. They have all been fighting for decades against the Bree and occaisionaly the Hive. Their leaders have been in their positions for centuries. Now we get to go to Earth unless the Terrans can stop this foolish war.

TA is currently still attacking MORGANITE territory, in retaliation for the attack and capture of Capella.

Only in their dream world. Which I might add is about to come crashing down around them. Cause the Spartans are going to be like nothing the Terrans have ever faced.

Plenty of room? TA isn't to fond of colonizing barren to worser worlds. Not quite the idea places for colonies. the Chironians pretty much already took all of the good habitable planets as they had first dibs.

Exactly what do you think your attacking now? Everyone of those systems are barren rocks used for mineral exrtraction. Except those near the Gaian border. Those are the grain worlds. Do the Terrans want them too? Now that you attacked the Morgans have been busy destroying everything. Your getting a bunch of destroyed equipment and barren rock. It would have been easier to build from the ground up then to get a bunch of people killed. I tell you what. Sparta would be willing to take all those barren rocks around Sol. I'm sure we can find some way to utilize them. And since we pretty much make up these systems off the top of our heads, you can always just come up with a resonable excuse as to why those systems arent taken and why they might just be some planet that can sustain large numbers of people. I have two really good planets in my system.

I always saw TA being more then small and inferior...but no one else shared that and acted upon the opposite ideas. I couldn't do much earlier do to lack of availibity and other things.LMP

LMP. no one has set out to cripple the TA. Not one of us. We aren't the ones controlling them. Each one us have crippled our faction in one way or another to make it fun. So don't say we have conspired. The Terrans have 3 writers. 3


My suggestion for this whole thing is this.

The Terrans keep Samnos and end this war. The Terrans can go home to Sol and proclaim victory and most likly(though I'm not going to speak for History Guy) You'll get Capella back. Then you can Start making the TA into what ever kind of superpower you want by using some of those 9 or so systems around Sol in whatever fashion you want. Surely there is a case to be made that one or two of those systems are capabable of supporting large numbers of people. That is what the Terrans really need. Not a bunch of barren mining colonies. But one or two planets where people can go to relieve the stress of the overpopulation of Earth. Build your superpower. But the road we are on now only means years of war. Cause LMP, you aint gonna push the Spartans around. Just like the Spartans won't push the Terrans around. Kerensky should concentrate on building the TA powerbase in Sol before he expends he fleets figthing the Spartans, Drones, Morgans, and Believers.


Franky: Keep your ideas about the Hive taking over a planet fresh. We will work it out some way so that you can write your stories about that. If not on this front, then in some other front in some other war. As a matter of fact an idea is forming in my head right now. Maybe we can arrange for the Hive to conquer an idependent planet somewhere along the border with Sparta or even the Protectorate. Space is a big place. We will find a way. Tell me any ideas you have about it.

[History Guy]

Ah, Apolyton is back again!

Cyber-- Actually, that'd be a load off my back if you could write about the tech exchange, to be honest. Besides, you're a better writer than I am!

Sprayber-- Delbar...yes...poor chap. And now, when he's got peace and relaxation he has to deliver a strange little message for some nervous little guy with beady eyes.

Now, what shall we do next in the storyline? Who's got a post?!

Kass-- Do you think you could write something on Mr. Sym, about how he gets at least half-way to Hiveria?

[Silence]

Yea we are back,

Ok I am going to post once I get back from class today.

[Mellian]

(this post was done before, but apolyton crashed....and couldn't get computer at all yesterday)

Originally posted by History Guy
Pardon me, but the situation is confused. Once Samnos and Naxos fall, TA will be attacking Spartan property, and if that goes, the Spartans will demand it's return. And, if peace comes, don't expect Morgan to hand back Capella for nothing.

Can't exactly give away territory to your ally when three systems are being attacked. TA sees the Morganites as Aggressors, and this transferiing of territory stunt is just a ploy so the Spartans can get involve in the war without looking as the "Aggressors". this ploy will simply support the possible idea that this whole war was orchestrated by the Morganites, that they wanted war, but didn't want to look like the Aggressors. There was no proof as to who started the exchange between the MI and InEn freighters... and no proof can be found about the Diplomatic talks, as to what happened there exactly. InEn CEO suicided/possibly murdered, and other InEn high ups "dissapeared" when the Council decided that InEn will be absorbed into the TAF and other TA organizations.

Right now, this war is one big arse Misunderstanding

LMP-- I was hoping you could fix up the other post before you did another one...

will get around to it...but probably not tonite....

Franky has expressed a wish to be allowed to take over Samnos in a post, should we not allow him to at least get into the action? I mean after all he's been through now, with the Hive fleet getting "cut up badly", I think he should at least be able to do something else than just sit around in space listening to the demands of the prideful and corrupt Terran Alliance.

The Hive was invited by the Earth Coalition, without any approval by the TA Council. TAF doesn't trust them. Godly wise, I was the one made the decision as to what TA will do in response to Capella, and i said it...which i did discussed with kass PM wise. As to how the Hive got involve in the attack wasn't discussed with me PM wise or anywhere else, and as a player I am against it. So would the TAF and TA.

BTW, if the Novans do betray us, Morgan and Mr. Ku will make them regret it...

How exactly they would do that? They don't even know where the Novan leader is currently located...wether he is with any of the ships currently defending . The attack and hijack of that Drone freighter was like 10 days before the TA attack began...Joe Nova check his messages with the local Cyborg comm centre and replied, started negociating pay and so on. 3-4 days ago, Novan ships started showing up at designated areas to defend. 1 day ago, Joe Nova got informed by some Kane Bloc and Data Angel contacts that the Spartans discovered that the Novans were involved....which Sprayber doesn't need to aknowledge....so it is only a matter of time that the Morganites would get informed by their ally of the Pirates. So Joe Nova made some plans for the Novan ships to abandon their positions and run when there is any indication that Morganites or Spartans may try to get them. NOW, Joe Nova will be informed of kerensky's offer...it would be easy to complete the mission as they are already in position and will be heavily backed up, will get payed twice the amount the Morganites is paying them, and they eventually become Wanted anyway by the Spartans and their allies So would be a better deal. and they are mercenaries, nothing wrong in changing employers due to more attractive deal

I must agree with Mr. President.

not a threat, just something Pirates would naturally do. Pirates will become a pain anyway no matter what happens

The Believers: Silence, we look forward to your prescense in the Co-operate Sector. Now, the mistake with the Believers that has been made was declaring war on them. The Terran aggression against them is pointless. It'd be like Kessel declaring war on them because a group of Believer mercenaries is stationed in Hive territory! The Believers aren't going to concede anything to the Terrans. I hope Tremaine and Kerensky realize that.

Earth Coalition declared warm not the Terran Alliance... and right now, rather kass edited that message if it would only get the Believers against TA as well. Never put Tremaine and Kerensky in the same setence again...as they are not compatible together in many many ways.

[Mellian]

As far as I am concern, I rather RESET the game, f*ck up

also annoyed with myself personally lately

now i got to go

Take advantage of Kerensky's message to Kessel for peaceful resolution.

-LMP

[Mellian]

kass makes TA look bad with EC, while i try to make look good....

-LMP

[History Guy]

This when the schism between TA and MI started...the morganites chose military force instead of diplomacy to solve the matter. They entered Sol in force and was attacking a member, which the TAF is required by their Charter to defend, even if they were currently on Trial.

There was no schism between TA and MI. MI was never owned by TA, and so it never broke away from TA, thus there was never a schism. A schism is a seperation, a secession, or a disunion.

We understand that the Pirates are a rowdy bunch of buggers, but it's awfully convient that when Sprayber, Mr. Prez, and I are fighting TAF, which you seem to have taken over, your Pirate faction begins to cause us trouble.

Morgan would hunt down as many Novans as he could, and he'd make it a pain for them, while at the same time making sure that they could never finger him for what he was having done.

Also, when you, Kass, and I do hold the peace conference, don't expect Morgan to crumble, or to escept terms that won't benefit him. He won't hand you back Capella unless you hand back the territory you took from us.