Beyond Alpha Centauri::: Discussion Thread 3

[Mellian]

LMP, may I ask what in heck Morgan was supposed to do? Sit back and ignore InEn? They'd done their best to murder Morganite diplomats, even the US wouldn't just sit back and ask permission to extract some heads of state from InEn. It'd do so for only a while, and then would finally just make an attack, seeing it as the only way to do it. How was Terra going to respond without Callisto anyway? Would they have actually shut down InEn and sent Cvaener off to trial by Morgan? I rather doubt it.

Ignore InEn? no, but should hold off on the idea of retaliation against InEn in Sol....which would be boring story wise. so for story fun, i am taken advantage of the situation.... so what is wrong with that? And there is a reason why InEn did what they did which kass and I develop, which will be revealed soon....

And hey! What was I supposed to do? I think readers would find sending letters to Terra asking for a peaceful trial for InEn would be rather tedious, don't you? So please, quit jumping me about these things.

Jumping? I am not given heck and i am just saying... but it as happened and we can't change anything about it. Terran Council would give hoot to InEn and demand the high ups to and so on face trial in a morganite court..... but that didn't happen and would of been boring story plot. There is a reason why InEn is being absorbed by the TAF people

-LMP

[Mellian]

Anyway, please people, don't get mad at me Simply making my points base on what happened so far in the Story. and I am saying the Terran Alliance will Declare War on the Morganites for taking Capella... they wouldn't over Callisto, unless the Morganites weren't willing to cooperate diplomatic wise. BUT, since you went off to take Capella, you provided TA even better reason why they should go to war...after some convincing in a famous speech by Kerensky at the Council.

Soon after the Declaretion of War was sent to the Morganites via FTL Comm.... Terran Alliance forces quickly go in and Attack three morganite systems close to Sol... not giving the Morganites a chance to rethink after TA sent the declare war on them message. as for the plans after that, i don't know..... it depends on what your Move in response History and the others. Hey, i was ask what would be the Terran Alliance response to Capella, and i said it.....

-LMP

[History Guy]

Don't worry, LMP, I'm not mad with you...well not mad enough to launch a fungal payload at you at least!

OK with me, LMP, though I'm wondering if this war should be brought to a close in a while and each side should be allowed to build forces up, and some good deal of espionage and the lot. Allow time to build up suspense, ya understand.

So maybe after Terra takes several Morganite colonies, and Morgan takes the rest of Capella a deal for peace.

I did my new post! I hope Franky Chan likes the opening. As you can see, Morgan doesn't like war with Terra and wants none of it, and after Capella he feels very guilty about it, seeing it as a giant mistake that he cannot make any good of.

[Cybergod]

Mellian - So we have to have a war with Morgan right after we just signed a Treaty?????

We will downgrade our official relations to a stand-offish Truce and all trade ships etc will have to pass strict controls. We will not interviene if the TA or any other member decides to attack the Morganites.

History Guy, would it be acceptable if our army fellow Myodin decides to have a secret chat with Mr. Ku? We'd love trade techs... But that's as far as we'll go. We'd offer some biotech and ask for some industrial tech (y'know machines, robots, and the stuff)...

[Kassiopeia]

History, you utter bastard! You used the header "Chariots of Fire" before I had a chance to!
I'll have a closer look of the story now that Capella has been taken. It will be hard to break the news to Prime Minister Drecaille.

[Frankychan]

Apologies,

I've been busy so haven't been able to check as of late. Anyway, I'm going to post later tonite DEFINETLY!!! for History,Kass, and Sovereign.

My bad folks.

[edit]: History, I wasn't aware Mr. Sym sent the Hive a message. Guess I didn't pick it up.

and just to warn everyone, there's going to be a lot of messages to other governments in my next post(s)

[History Guy]

Cybergod--- Uh, I guess that's the gist of it, but hey, it's only a war in name only with Saturn, OK? No action is taken against Morgan, and secretly we can do some trade. Mr. Ku would be glad to send over some chums to Saturn. But what the hey is to become of Sym and Rabinowitch?

Kass--- Yeah, sure I did, I didn't want anyone to get it before me. It's from 'Jerusalem', my favorite hymn. As to poor Drecaille, also remind her that we are always open for peace negotiations!

Franky--- Thanks, that'd be appreciated. I did not really describe the message in great detail, except that he sent it secretly while on Titan and the gist was that he wanted the price that the Hive would be willing to pay for complete information on the state of the Morganite military, size, organization, placement, the lot. And hey! How did you like my new post?

[Mellian]

Mellian - So we have to have a war with Morgan right after we just signed a Treaty?????

Yes, but the Kingdom of Saturn is a member of the Terran Alliance and doesn't make sense if rest of TA goes to war and not Saturn.... wouldn't make sense would ruined the TAF-Coalition friction like, how come Titan is not participating and we have too?

When TA declares war, all of the members declares war like it or not.... and there would be a majority in the Council for it too, even if Titan opposes to the idea. As per the requirement of being a member, they have to follow the decisions of the Terran Council. And it wouldn't look good or be wise to back down from membership now. Anyway, TAF will not expect much military help from Kingdom of Saturn as they barely have a fleet and not expected to have much of one for a year or two (won't allow rush building). Can still have negociations covert wise, but at the risk of getting caught by TAF, which will keep a close eye...and they good finding out things within TA... maybe not right away but will eventually. Besides, Morganites may consider to stall relations with Titan for the duraction of the war.

We will downgrade our official relations to a stand-offish Truce and all trade ships etc will have to pass strict controls. We will not interviene if the TA or any other member decides to attack the Morganites.

Trade with the morganites will be cut off period, for obvious reasons. TA's probe weakness is via the members and TAF knows that, and use to it too. That is why is there is a long process for someone to go through before they are alowed to join the TAF.... which is why it is hard to infiltrate the TAF. even kidnapping and pertending to be a TAF soldier is hard to do, as they will be discovered quite quickly. Like trying to infiltrate the Spartan military, the Hive in general and the Protectorate...... yet TAF isn't fascist, just military organization not connected to any peticular faction/nation/and so on and will accept anyone from anywhere, as long they pass the extensive process to join and then continue passing the security/intel checks which isn't predictable. now why i went this far to answer a trade thing, not sure... but trade won't be allowed and smuggling will be hard.

History Guy, would it be acceptable if our army fellow Myodin decides to have a secret chat with Mr. Ku? We'd love trade techs... But that's as far as we'll go. We'd offer some biotech and ask for some industrial tech (y'know machines, robots, and the stuff)...

may try to trade tech information via FTL Comm, but there will be quite a TAF presense in the Saturn Area, and all other areas in Sol, defending the system the way they want to. Not trying to restrict, but do realize that the Terran Alliance is becoming tighter and tighter from its looseness.

-LMP

[History Guy]

Morganites won't be conquered and eliminated no factions will be eliminated in BAC.....

That's right, everyone will be standing at the end...except the Pirates...

Just kidding.

But I'll have to remember that line, just in case!

[Frankychan]

History Guy...

How dare you make Yang look like a tyrant!
He's only looking out for the people!

Nah, I'm not mad or anything, I actually like seeing the fascist Morganite propaganda machine at work against the benevolent Hive Empire.

Although I wouldn't doubt it if Sheng-ji survived...maybe we should have a Hive program that demonizes Morgan???

Good post though!

[Sovereign]

Phew... finished another story post.

I plan to attempt to have UCS sign a treaty with Protectorate, agreeing not to trepass in each other's territory, keep comm channels open for further communiques and perhaps improvement in relations, and withdraw all ships from the sector.

Lonestar, you could have your captain either contact Ian, so that Randius and Ian may hammer out a treaty. Then I'll have my ships retreat towing the Magellan.

FC, my ships will escort your Skipfire to your territory and we can decide on whether my group stays there or enters Hive territory or whatever.

LMP, what should we do about Gaians and Peacekeepers? There aren't any writers for them right now, and it will only get more complicated for them as we weave more webs of plots, battles, relations, etc. I know you guys gave me a chance to jump in to play the University and I really appreciate it. I don't mind other people jumping in, but I'm trying to put things in perpsective... Remember how hard it was for me to get started? Maybe the new writers wouldn't be as patient or eager as I to hammer out stuff. Just my two cents on this, thats all.

I think I'm finally getting in the "groove" of this story

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by Mellian
Anyway, TAF will not expect much military help from Kingdom of Saturn as they barely have a fleet and not expected to have much of one for a year or two (won't allow rush building). Can still have negociations covert wise, but at the risk of getting caught by TAF, which will keep a close eye...and they good finding out things within TA... maybe not right away but will eventually. Besides, Morganites may consider to stall relations with Titan for the duraction of the war.

Hey! Callin' ma fleet unexistent... Oh well. Sorry Morgan, our relations will have to be stalled for a while. I do not know what to do with your or my diplomats though History Guy! Any suggestions?

may try to trade tech information via FTL Comm, but there will be quite a TAF presense in the Saturn Area, and all other areas in Sol, defending the system the way they want to. Not trying to restrict, but do realize that the Terran Alliance is becoming tighter and tighter from its looseness.

-LMP

You are representing the TA as some invincible force that is ready to battle anyone it likes and that if anyone goes against its will, their resistance will be crushed. Is this the way governments or organisations with vast proportions such as this are meant to work in the future you prophesise? Anyways, we fought for independence from some outsider force who will command us what to do. We now see that an utopian TA is just an illusion and will look forward to slipping out of the alliance once our defences and infrastructure is repaired. So yes Maria does consider this "alliance" just an object to use to stop Earthers attemping to retake Titan and Rhea plus because of the bigger trade income from the rest of the members. But really Maria despises anything even remotelly connected to Earth and it's domination throughout the Sol system. Now, just because she has similar plans for her little kingdom...

History Guy, is it okay if I arrange your Mr. Sym getting caught by our security forces and then offered talks with our General Forces Minister (Former Commander Myodin)? Describe me his personnality more - will he resist fiercelly or be more cooperative?

Sovereign, I am a bit late to say this but, welcome to BAC! At first I wanted to do the Uni but then thought that it would mean undertaking great responsibility of such a great faction as the University! Now I was not saying this to suck-up but I really like Uni! Really!

But one thing --> Technocracy. Doesn't that mean rule of the richest and an advanced class system in a society? Here's the dictionary's definition:

1 the government or control of society or industry by technical experts

Whoops! but I remember that in the communist days in my country, the government (Tito) called all home businessmen technocrats! Hopefully we have now switched to both Demo and FM so things are looking up in the future (after rebuilding our infrastructure after the NATO "humanitarian" bombing)

[Kassiopeia]

I am a bit behind in the progress of the story, but I managed to write a post. Just acknowledging that the Terrans know of Capella, and the re-introduction of two very familiar personas

[Sprayber]

Hey guys. This is my last full day home. I'll be in Germany for 3 weeks to around April 3rd or so. When I get back I'll get back in the story thread full time. I would suggest putting off any declarations of war. Some basic points to assume from the Spartans.


If the TA officially declares war on Morgan, then the Spartans will declare war and quickly mount action against the TA. Most likely they would move against outlaying Terran assets. Wouldn't directly Sol right off the bat.

Sparta will support any and all organizations seeking to break from the TA. And will in fact encourage it. (Terrans are not invulrable to this. )

The Hive will be left alone. With other things going on, Kessel could care less what Yang does in Hive space as long as they do it in Hive space and not directed at Sparta. Unless they go to war with Morgan, in which that is going to war with Sparta.

One suggestion to all. There seems to be a push to create grand alliances. But for most factions, it doesn't have to be a matter of directly choosing sides. The Spartans have put themselves in a position that they absolutly defend the Morganites and the Drones. This should be common knowledge and your leaders should be thinking about this. For factions like the University, Believers and independt factions this course of action is very risky. I understand that it may be more exciting to be in a war with someone. But it isn't neccessary. The US isn't in an official war at the moment, but there are plenty of "exciting" (really poor words i know) things going on.

[History Guy]

Franky-- Glad you liked it ok! I admit I stole Recon Rover Rick from the original AC game, as it's mentioned when you build a Holo Theater or whatever it's called. Maybe Yang saw the show and loved it and made 'X Chaos Rover L'Hsein' or something Hivish. Anyway, yeah, I think it would be kinda funny to see Hive/Morganite propaganda systems in action.

Sovereign-- Originally Guardian took Peacekeepers and Alynzia took Gaians, but I haven't seen either of them around for ages!

Cyber-- Capture Sym? And deprive Yang of a mindless lackey? Could you kinda expand on this idea a little? What'll happen here? As to my diplomats...I really have no idea what to do with them. Maybe they should stay on Titan as a link to Terra. Even in wartime there are ambassadors, so maybe they'll act as ambassadors to the Terran Alliance and may be called upon to sue for peace in Morgan's case. Kassiopeia and I agree Morgan has all the odds in such a case in his favor...

Kass-- Good post. I was working on a new post attempting to capture the sort of stunned reaction after war that soldiers feel, but I think you did it very well. I loved seeing the two back. I like sticking recurring minor characters into the story periodically as you have probably noticed.

Sprayber-- Thanks for your post. God bless you on the trip. I think we should hold off the war for a short time, make longer intervals between battles and the lot, it seems to be moving awfully fast. Within 120 some posts we've already had 5 space battles and two conquests between the Terrans and Morganites. It's going pretty fast, I think, and it in a way detracts from believability.