Beyond Alpha Centauri::: Discussion Thread 3

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Cybergod
Would joining up all colonies in the Saturn region and declaring independence from EC trigger another succession war? If so, what would TA do? Otherwise, we'll concentrate on producing and improving our Organic ship designs... Just in case...

Going reckless about it might bring internal instability to the TA. In that case, the TA would probably overthrow Maria and seize the Saturn area under joint EC-TA control. So watch it.

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by kassiopeia
Going reckless about it might bring internal instability to the TA. In that case, the TA would probably overthrow Maria and seize the Saturn area under joint EC-TA control. So watch it.

Watch me!



Anyways, what is wrong with that? No one is complaining that Mars is independent... or that Luna is under Earther control...

Just ranting about...

[Silence]

I am slighty confused what flank I am suppose to hit History Guy.

Edit I see what flank, ok, its going to take me a couple of days to get some free time to write any post, but ok I got it now.

[History Guy]

OK FRANKY CHAN here is a message for you!

If you could, please post a response from Yang to Sym on his terms for the information Sym wishes to sell to the Hive, so as to cement all that. Thanks!

[Mellian]

Originally posted by Mr. President
See, I'm rather worried about that stuff in the Datalinks that says one or the other of the Terran ship designs is "basically indestructible". Unless the story is going to end with the absorption of all other entities into the Earth Coalition . . .

Nowhere have I wrote basically indestructible...and it is only the Terran Battlecruiser which is Hard to Kill.....meaning, it does take damage, but capable to still move about. Like, take the movie Snatch where that Russian guy took like 10 or more Desert Eagle shots to finally kill him...don't forget that he got nailed by a car too earlier in that movie despite various damages to his body, still kept moving, but less so if he were in full health. the BC is not indestructible, it is hard to kill it, depending on your weaponry of course. BC are design to stay alive as long possible, even if all of the weapons are damaged or destroyed, and so on... still alive, probably barely after awhile When i say it is rare to "completly destroy" a BC i mean, the whole ship explode due to reactor breach, where the whole vaporizes or simply explode into various pieces. So you can't have instant BC kills, unless you have a Ion Beam or Yamato Cannon hit near the reactor . When i said in one case a Battlecruiser took 13 torpedoe hits before dying at Capella, it was only one battlecruiser, doesn't mean it takes that much to kill a battlecruiser...just that battlecruiser survived 13 hits...where others may not. Can blow off someones arm, but doesn't mean you killed him. Get what i am trying to say here? and yes, maybe i should reword it slightly in the Datalinks.....but they are no invincible, just hard to KILL it, to take it out of commission.

As for the merging, it is just InEn, geez and they will be merging with TAF, thats it.... still enough factions within Sol and do remember, they are in a ALLIANCE.

-LMP

[Mellian]

What ship? (I doubt it's a CSN ship)
If something like that is remarked of a TAF Battlecruiser, we need to modify it, of course. No ship can be indestructible.

If thats the impression people is getting then i'll rewrite it, or simply clarify. not indestructible, just hard to kill like i explained above.

Mellian: You going to write?
Would you like me to get the call on the Soldier of God involvment, once Capella has been lost?

I will write, once i have the time for it and as long as i don't have to many Discussion posts i need to reply I don't have my own comp at the house i am temporally leaving....i share it with 11 others. yes, i am currently leaving with 11 others as part of the program i am in... only time i seriously have a good internet access is at my work placement, which even then, i have other work i need to do too.....

anyway, Soldier of God involvement :hmm:? i know they were hired out by Morganites and used to help take Capella.... unless your thinking TA or whatever hires some of them too? wonder what the Believers would do if their "mercenary" forces end up facing each other off,

[Mellian]

Morgan's reaction was the right one, to choose Callisto, 99% owned by InEn, to attack.

Was it? Didn't Morgan know that InEn was part of a ALLIANCE called Terran Alliance? Didn't he even thought that TA had its own military force called TAF, chartered to defend ALL members like InEn? another thing, how dare morgan to go as far as attacking ANything within Sol, which is the first Chiron faction to ever done that? even if it was a temporary hold on Callisto, doesn't mean TA knows that... have to remember to look at things from different point of view. The mistakes morgan made is that he ignored TA and the TAF, not thinking that will do anything. If peaceful resolution wasn't acquired with InEn, the morganites should have contacted the Terran Alliance about InEn instead of ignoring them and go straight after InEn within Sol....
so in a Morganites vs InEn wise, InEn is the agressor... but, Morganites vs Terran Alliance wise, the morganites are the agressors. Next time, DO consider the TA and TAF factor please instead of ignoring them like a lot of people did early on.

How else was he supposed to respond? The Earth Coalition ships were only attacked after they moved into place against Morganite forces above and on Callisto, and in fact were in preparation for attack. Had they been allowed to make their assault, Callisto would have fallen quickly, before it could be made completely useless to InEn.

Morganites seem to have been quite arrogant to think that EC and TAF ships will simply not do anything. InEn, a fellow member of EC within the Terran ALLIANCE, is being attacked by a Foreign Force outside of Sol and the Terran Alliance. InEn, since they are a member of TA, TAF is chartered to help defend a member even if they deserve it or not and especially if it is by a Foreign attack outside of Sol and TA. Hey, i would think the Spartans would help the Morganites out as they are after all Allies.

He did not provoke the Earth Coalition or the Terran Alliance before hand at all, by the time the attack was made the Earthers had already made some response attacks on Callisto.

Again, what else did you expect them to do, stay there and watch a/fellow member being attacked, hmm? whats the point of the Terran Alliance if a member is not receiving any help from their Allies?

Morgan did try to make reperations for the few Earth citizens killed by Morgan's forces in the attack on Callisto, but Morgan had every right to attack and attempt to destroy InEn.

every right? says who? Morganites should of contacted TA before doing anything hostile to InEn.

By the time of Capella, the Terran Alliance has attacked Morgan Interstellar's troops on Callisto, and so, heck no, the Terran Alliance sure hasn't just sat around and has "generally done nothing to the Morganites". The aggressors were InEn on the moon, and the war is thus their fault.

Humm, hello! they were DEFENDING. they were helping the their ALLY, a member of TA/fellow member. They were retaking a moon taken by a FOreign Force, who also hired Soldiers of God to attack EC ships around Callisto, before EC or TAF landed their troops! To help Defend an Ally isn't being Aggressive, geez

The aggressors in a Morganite vs InEn conflict is InEn, but the agressor in a conflict between Morganite vs Terran Alliance is the Morganites when they Attacked and Taken Capella, which is an Act of War against Terran Alliance who did nothing to morganites but defend themselves against. Pretty funny that the Morganites thinks that Defending one self or help defending an ally is being agressive against them The Morganite vs InEn conflict could of been peacefully resolved with the Terran Alliance, but nope, the Morganites didn't took that route, they just went to make things worse for themselves.

Morgan Interstellar is hardly strong, either. In fact, compared to Terra, it is quite puny. It relies on the Spartans, the Drones, and the Believers for protection when it is attacked, unless, of course, a little rogue company like InEn makes the attack, when it thinks it will be allowed to respond without the Earthers getting ticked off by it. Morgan Interstellar should be allowed to respond in this way without the response of the Terran Alliance, but this can't be the case...because that's pretty boring sounding, I think...

That Rogue Company is considered as a Faction within that is part of the Terran Alliance. Morgan should of considered the fact that the Terran Alliance would help defend their Ally, even thought InEn's stupidity to try to take on the Morganites (which me and kass discussing the reason for it, which may be revealed later). Terran Council would of discuss it and then do something about the matter, punishing InEn and so on, but the Morganites didn't give them chance to do that and Morganites didn't even bother contacting TA to help resolve the matter peacefully..... but nope. Morganites made things worse.... especially when they considered EC and TAF helping to Defend InEn, an ally and a member of TA, as an aggression against the Morganites?
which they went off taking Capella in response to it due to their silly reasoning. Terran Alliance considers it an Act of War, and see the Morganites as the aggressors.

EDIT: Hey Kass! Yeah, bring back those two guys from the Moon! I love 'em, man! Love 'em! And hey, Capella has been taken, we rule it now, yep! It's ours! Morganite banners flapping in the breeze...if there is a breeze on Terra Nova. How's that post read, eh? Pretty bloody? I hope Silence does one on the Soldiers of God attacking the Terran right, rolling up the flank.

and the Morganites are not the agressors, phhhhttt

anyway, just proves the differences of opinion and views on things can make a problem become all out war.

-LMP

[Mellian]

Actually the Terrans started the war. The Morgans visited the Sol system to find a peaceful solution and the Terrans once again murdered innocents before war was initiated. It was the TA that failed to stop its own people

It is like saying that we should kill all Islamic people just because a few of them were crazy and went off blowing up WTC.

How did TA failed to stop its own people? Just because they supposelly didn't have any Intel of what InEn was doing? Do realize things went by pretty quick, not giving the Terran Council much time to do anything concerning InEn's stupidity and isn't TA's fault that the Morganites didn't consider contacting TA about InEn instead of simply entering Sol and take InEn by force, which was a big no no. Anyway, read the post in response to History.

How quicky the propaganda machine has started to spin. What will the Terrans be saying next? That the Terran military really wants what is best for humanity

TA and TAF don't lie to their people, even thought some members do among their specific people... If the Spartans think that TA and TAF are liars when they technicly are saying the truth, from their point of view, of course. Anyway, what really comes down to is the Players ignoring TA and the TAF when thinking up ideas to what to do. TA and TAF DOES wants what is best for Humanity, despite what others think.

In response to Morganites aggression against the Terran Alliance as a whole by taking Capella, TA will Declare War after some convincing by Kerensky that they shouldn't be push around and bullied by the Chironians and so on. TA should respond to Morganites aggression with force, making the Statement they are not to be mess with.

Soon after the Declaration of War, TAF with member militaries help will attack two or three morganite systems closest to Sol in response to them taking Capella. TA will be simply Counter-Attacking and TA is only interested in having a Morganite-Terran Alliance conflict..... so won't be TA's fault if other Chiron Factions decides to take on the awaken sleeping giant. One thing i kept laughing when i read the story is how the CHironian factions view the Terrans..... they occasionally aknowledge the existance of the Terran Alliance, yet ignore or simply forgetting there is also the TAF.... how some chironians, even by players in the discussion thread, mixes the TA/TAF up with Earth Coalition, how they sometime ignore the fact that there is various Terran factions, and so on....... well, after nearly finish reading the story, i will make sure that the Chironians won't underestimate the Terrans and the Terran Alliance again

-LMP

[Mellian]

One more thing. If I remember correctly. The Spartan Federation, yes I said the Spartan Federation, attempted to end the conflict by peacefull means. The Terrans ignored those attempts. What happnes to the TA and Earth is in no means the fault of the Chrion factions. It is the fault of the Terrans.

Really? i haven't reach that part yet..... what does 'peaceful means' means to the Spartans anyway? "if you two don't stop fighting, we'll come in and bang both your heads"

Queen Sanchez, ruler of the Saturn moons and Empress of Earth. Kessel could live with that.

Not going to happen

-LMP

[Mellian]

LMP, okay, I'll drop the abalative stuff. What do you think of FC's idea about an advanced H.S.A. that is sentient that acts like an body immune system... once you use a method to hack into it, you can't use it again because the H.S.A. wll adapt. Also, you only have a limited period of time before the H.S.A. detects the hacking entry and eliminates it. So the hacker will have to be pretty quick to do anything.

Okay, but not all forms of espionage involves Hacking just to tell you.

Randius had the foresight to establish this so no mass-AI or android revolts would occur. Univ is delving deeply into computers, computer science, and robotics to make all these things feasible.

Do realize, even with special programming and equal treatement, Sentient droids may still go awire... like a sentient human being can. and sure some people and droids may develop phobia for each other, despite the policies of equal treatment. Does depend on ones experience.

[Mellian]

I don't know if people realise it yet but the Terrans and the GHE are in diplomatic talks right now. It looks like the TAF is a powerhouse of its own...with the GHE military to back it up
--->WOW!

I suggest people becomes more specific, else you'll confuse people

As far as i know, Hive only contacted the Earth Coalition, not the Terran Alliance as a whole. Terrans is just name of a sect of humanity..... like, the Terrans, Chironians, Protectorate, Scions, etc..... Yes, people should atleast consider the TAF as a seperate faction..more like a organization chartered to defend the Terran Alliance and so on........

anyway, suggest people finish the Capella thing, then wait for me to find some time to start posting the Terran Alliance's response and so on.......... even if Kerensky (the head of TAF and leader of the Terran Alliance forces during wartime) gets contacted by the Hive, suggesting some collaboration, Kerensky won't take advantage of it.... Kerensky don't trust the Hive and knows that they have spies in Sol.... Earth Coalition itself willprobably more friendly with the Hive then the TAF

-LMP

[Mellian]

Would joining up all colonies in the Saturn region and declaring independence from EC trigger another succession war? If so, what would TA do? Otherwise, we'll concentrate on producing and improving our Organic ship designs... Just in case...

If it happens during wartime, even in peacetime, TAF will be rough with the Coalition and will not allow such nonsense. Will only make the TAF-Coalition friction worse.

Would Morgan be interested in trading some industrial development techs for some advanced biotechnology?

Do realize that the Morganites have just recently Attack and Taken Capella.... which will lead to the Terran Alliance declaring war on the Morganites. SINCE Titan is a Member of TA, they will have no choice but to Declare War as well., else loose their membership and get restricted by TAF for the duration of the war.
...and it will be hard to become a member again afterwards since TA won't trust them anymore... and will be open in having problems with Coalition later on too or with whoever.

Sure Titan could convertly make some deals with the Morganites, but TAF will be keeping close watch on the "kingdom of saturn", aware of some friendly negociations with the Morganites, which they won't approve during wartime.

-LMP

[History Guy]

Is the Terran Alliance aware that it is supporting terrorists?

BTW, Morgan did send a message to the Terran Alliance asking that proper action be done, as I mentioned in a post, and no action was taken. Morgan felt that there was nothing else to do but put InEn out of action, and in the attack make every attempt to protect the citizens of the Earth Coalition. Remember, the Terran Alliance was too slow in responding to Morgan.

[History Guy]

Well...at least I think I mentioned it...

I'll stick it in if I can't find it if you like, because Morgan wouldn't act without doing this first. I was sure I'd posted something about that in the past.

LMP, may I ask what in heck Morgan was supposed to do? Sit back and ignore InEn? They'd done their best to murder Morganite diplomats, even the US wouldn't just sit back and ask permission to extract some heads of state from InEn. It'd do so for only a while, and then would finally just make an attack, seeing it as the only way to do it. How was Terra going to respond without Callisto anyway? Would they have actually shut down InEn and sent Cvaener off to trial by Morgan? I rather doubt it.

And hey! What was I supposed to do? I think readers would find sending letters to Terra asking for a peaceful trial for InEn would be rather tedious, don't you? So please, quit jumping me about these things.

[Mellian]

Originally posted by History Guy
Is the Terran Alliance aware that it is supporting terrorists?

BTW, Morgan did send a message to the Terran Alliance asking that proper action be done, as I mentioned in a post, and no action was taken. Morgan felt that there was nothing else to do but put InEn out of action, and in the attack make every attempt to protect the citizens of the Earth Coalition. Remember, the Terran Alliance was too slow in responding to Morgan.

InEn being seen as terrorists is a Morganite point of view and don't remember reading any post sent to the terran alliance concerning InEn.... will double check. As nothing to do being to slow, you as player probably didn't gave us, me or/and kass, a chance to respond. And i don't remember you mentioning it in the discussion board about it either until now.

ANYWAY, Morganites did enter Sol and attack Callisto, which wasn't completly controlled by InEn... and then proceeded to attack EC Ships. EC and TAF retook Callisto in DEFENCE, which morganites in turn ATTACK and TAKEN Capella. Morganites can have their point of view, but as far as the Terran Alliance is concerned, the Morganites are the Aggressors.

Peacekeepers will not side with anyone and won't bother interfering mainly because there is no player playing them at the moment..... Gaians won't and doesn't make sense of them getting involved... and Cyborgs will stay neutral period like they have been for centuries. Pirates is fragmented, but the 'Kane Bloc' take advantage of this war....due to a deal with the Hive or for their own gain. It won't be a Chiron vs Terrans thing because i won't allow it to happen and with the current situation with each faction for various of reasons, doesn't make sense. TA is out to get the Morganites in retaliation, not declaring war on all of the Chironians, geez Besides, morganites have enough systems to loose few minor ones anyway and the Spartans and maybe the Drones will help out too propably. Don't worry, Morganites won't be conquered and eliminated no factions will be eliminated in BAC..... but like it or not, the Morganites did wake up the sleeping giant

-LMP