Beyond Alpha Centauri::: Discussion Thread 3

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mellian


Well Sprayber, me and kass think that the Terran Alliance should become a major player in Human space, and they will prove it that they are to be mess with.

besides, isn't the Terrans who started the war, it was the Morganites. It not the Terrans fault that the Morganites is stupid enough to think they simply enter Sol and take Callisto and get away with it. Not the Terrans fault that the Morganites are stupid enough to attack Coalition ships which they done nothing to the Morganites. Not the Terrans fault that the Morganites think they can bully all of the Terran Alliance, which generally done nothing to the Morganites, by taking Capella.... So who is the agressor, hmm? I would think the other Chiron Factions would be annoyed with the Morganites for being careless enough to underestimate the Terrans and wake up the sleeping giant.

gtg fast, later........

-LMP

Actually the Terrans started the war. The Morgans visited the Sol system to find a peaceful solution and the Terrans once again murdered innocents before war was initiated. It was the TA that failed to stop its own people

How quicky the propaganda machine has started to spin. What will the Terrans be saying next? That the Terran military really wants what is best for humanity

[Kassiopeia]

Like in real-life conflicts, it appears that the blame for starting a war can befall on either side. The TA will appeal on the story of the Morganites starting. Also, Intel could come up with something interesting.
Besides, the Morganite - InEn war began when the ships fired at each other. But, the Morganite - Alliance war began when the Morganites decided to attack Sol and harm Coalition and Alliance materials and citizens.

Just remember that the victors write the history.

[Sprayber]

One more thing. If I remember correctly. The Spartan Federation, yes I said the Spartan Federation, attempted to end the conflict by peacefull means. The Terrans ignored those attempts. What happnes to the TA and Earth is in no means the fault of the Chrion factions. It is the fault of the Terrans.


Queen Sanchez, ruler of the Saturn moons and Empress of Earth. Kessel could live with that.

[Sprayber]

[SIZE=1] Just remember that the victors write the history.

Don't worry. Kessel has already got most of it down in his notes.

[Kassiopeia]

One more thing. If I remember correctly. The Spartan Federation, yes I said the Spartan Federation, attempted to end the conflict by peacefull means. The Terrans ignored those attempts. What happnes to the TA and Earth is in no means the fault of the Chrion factions. It is the fault of the Terrans

How exactly did they attempt? By sending a couple of messages? Phooey!

Seriously, are we going to escalate this war? And how much?

[Sovereign]

Guys, I will go ahead and start writing my third story post, with my carrier jumping in to rescue my crippled Magellan and the Hive ship Skipfire from imminent capture or destruction by Protectorate.

I'd like to get this plot rolling. I still haven't recieved a reply from FC or Lonestar on how to do the next step, "resolution" of this cliff-hanger.



LMP, okay, I'll drop the abalative stuff. What do you think of FC's idea about an advanced H.S.A. that is sentient that acts like an body immune system... once you use a method to hack into it, you can't use it again because the H.S.A. wll adapt. Also, you only have a limited period of time before the H.S.A. detects the hacking entry and eliminates it. So the hacker will have to be pretty quick to do anything.

Plus, my purpose of this Hunter Seeker Algorithm would be to prevent the take-over of my Promethus prototype AI-ship and any robotic units. Remember when NEO took over UCS robots in "Earth: 2150"? That is what I intend for my second project, to develop something that will prevent that kind of thing from happening.

But to make it fair, these prototype war robots and ships WILL malfunction as Univ works out the kinks and refines AI, computer, and robotics technology.



Univ will be the BAC's version of the U.C.S. from Earth 2150 with a blend of Technocracy and cybernetic-eudamonia society. Machines will do all the boring and menial labor, some prototype AI entities, and prototype androids co-exist with humans. Univ has established laws that place AI entities and androids having the same rights as humans... Randius had the foresight to establish this so no mass-AI or android revolts would occur. Univ is delving deeply into computers, computer science, and robotics to make all these things feasible.

For a good reference, Univ would be researching computer and AI fields such as Sentient Ecometrics, Pre-Sentient Algorthims, and Digital Sentience. Also, it is researching Robotic Warfare, Advanced Robotics, and Metamorphic Robotics. Other technology fields have minimal research at the moment. Univ would be the second computer specialized faction, behind the Cyborgs, and this makes sense since in SMAC games, the two factions have very similiar traits of science and research above all, as well as placing emphasis on civil infrastructure rather than war. Univ is seeking the Hive as an ally to compensate for a smallish military.



I'd like the plotline for my faction to proceed towards Hive alliance, and then to support Hive and Terrans in the Chironian-Terran war that is brewing. Univ will supply some technology and participate in some fighting, mainly to acquire Protectorate technologies and lands.


What do you guys think?


by the way, I finally corrected my spelling of the Proc.

I spelled it Procterate ...
Now I'm spelling it Protectorate.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Sovereign I'd like the plotline for my faction to proceed towards Hive alliance, and then to support Hive and Terrans in the Chironian-Terran war that is brewing. Univ will supply some technology and participate in some fighting, mainly to acquire Protectorate technologies and lands.


What do you guys think?

Why would the University abandon the Spartan-Drone-Morgan alliance for one with the Hive and Terrans? Isn't that taking a step back?

Surely the PKs aren't going to side with the Terrans.

For that matter, what purpose would the Hive gain by allying themselves with the Terrans? Even if the Hive don't like morgan, surely they don't see the Terrans as a trust worthy ally. Doesn't all this manifest destiny stuff threaten the Hive ever bit as much as the other factions.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Sovereign

I'd like to get this plot rolling. I still haven't recieved a reply from FC or Lonestar on how to do the next step, "resolution" of this cliff-hanger.

I have recieved no such PM.

[Mr. President]

Kass, and anyone else: This is what I was talking about in my previous post.

Description: The Terran Battlecruiser is the most advance and powerful capital ship ever developed. Actually, the Battlecruiser is the Terran first joint effort to create, supplying the nescessary technologies or helping with the construction. Currently, the Battlecruisers are mainly built by Mars' Utopia Planitia Ship Yards and the TAF Ship Yards around Pluto, in Ross 153 and in Wolf 359. The BCs are the TAF's main Capital Ships with the ability to take over a world by itself. They even more effective in groups. Recently, they have proven themselves at the Battle for Capella. The TAF may of lost the system, but Battlecruisers was able to fight it longer then the average Chironian capital ship there. At one point, a Battlecruiser took about 13 direct Torpedoe hits along with additional Disruptor damage before being destroyed or when a Battlecruiser got kamikaze by a Chironian ship around Terra Nova and survived. Actually, there only a few Battlecruisers were actually completly destroyed. They sure can take a lot of beating and with additional improvements, the BC could be almost impossible to destroy.

[Frankychan]

Many apologies Sovereign-I thought I did respond!

Anyway, I was cooking up something but since your carrier is coming I guess my post is moot. But I'm glad someone saw my idea of a sentient HSA!

As for the University-Hive alliance, the Univ's timeline relates to past good relations w/the Hive so... One possibility is that Yang doesn't care about the University's ethics (or lack thereof) and supports the current Provosts view of unrestricted scientific experiments...if it means experimenting on humans, so be it!

Hmmm, it looks like the University's population is small so they use more robots than humans in their military. Mass robots algined with mass Hive soldiers...Yang like.

Going on to the Sol System-

I don't know if people realise it yet but the Terrans and the GHE are in diplomatic talks right now. It looks like the TAF is a powerhouse of its own...with the GHE military to back it up
--->WOW!

Ok, hopefully I will be able to post tonite if I can finish my stupid psych webpage!

Oh yeah Sovereign-

My next post will have Yang's reaction to finding the University and will send them a how-do-you-do. But since Yang doesn't know that Zakharov is dead, he'll have to learn who your new leader is.

(even though Yang has spies all over the galaxy, I think that him not knowing who Randius is will enhance the plot more....make it more interesting)

For Sprayber,

The Hive wants to ally w/the Terrans not because of ideology, but because of matters of convenience. Yes, the Terrans 'manifest destiny' to unite humanity does threaten the GHE (even though they don't consider themselves human anymore...the humans see themselves as Hive citizens). I don't want to give away the plot for the Hive so I'll pm you Spray to explain my stance on this.

[Sovereign]

FC: PM me your plot idea you were cooking up before I brought up the carrier idea... we can decide which one sounds more interesting and suspenseful.

Lonestar: expect a PM by tomorrow how to resolve the cliffhanger, sorry I thought I did PM you, but guess I didn't.

Sprayber: well, I thought it would be an interesting plot-twist for Univ to abandon its modern day allies for the Hive and Terrans. Has a sort of Machiavellian feel to it, doesn't it? Also, it will put the Univ in an interesting position for further plot-twists worthy of a good soap opera



I can envision three spheres of influence.... Hive-Univ-Terrans-Bree versus Protectorate-Dosi versus Sparta-Morgan-Drone-Gorn... and also, Believers, Cyborgs, Gaians, and Peace-keepers are the unstable elements. Univ abandons the Sparta-Morgan-Drone alliance to even out the Terran-Hive alliance

Then again, I'm only guessing at what the future will bring.

One other thing... I don't know if I want to say this, but I was wondering if we should kill off Peace-keepers and Gaians. They don't have writers writing for them and the story is well underway. I know I came in a little late, and I struggled to adjust historical timelines, my own ideas, and integrate all of it into the storyline and expectations. I am sure it will become even more difficult for the next few new writers if they ever decide to join in, with the war underway and a lot of stuff happened already.

My idea how to eliminate the Peace-keepers and Gaians would be... Suppose Sparta or Hive invades Peace-keepers, seeing that they both hate Peace-keepers. As for Gaians, we could have the Hive backstab the Gaians, or have the Protectorate be involved in their downfall.

I am only saying what is on my mind about these two writer-less factions. By the way, Cyborgs should be left alone on Lalande... out of the way of anyone and anything, not vital territory.


But hey, you guys may disagree, and I'm ok with that. I just had to sound out my thoughts.




P.S. Isn't the Gorn from Star Trek with Kirk?

[Frankychan]

I'll post average Hive life on my webpage when I have the chance. Here's a brief summary:


All Hive citizens-Bulwark, Fran, Xiero, Human, and Tarlak-are indoctrinated into the belief of the good of the state. Citizens still maintain their individuality, but only up to a certain point.

More freedom is given to citizens now that Thought Control is in place, however, it is only slightly better.

Each Hive city or "Labrynth" is self-sufficient up to a certain extent. This means that every Hive Labrynth grows it own food, has its own power supply, and so forth. Of course there are exceptions but they are few.

Asceticism is followed heavily by the average citizen and therefore they do not possess much, considering collectables and trinkets unnecessary and distracting to society. Only those of distinguished rank have possessions.

That's all for now...

[History Guy]

Starting on a new post...anything I should cover in particular?

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Mr. President
Kass, and anyone else: This is what I was talking about in my previous post.

Ok... I am not going to envelop myself in numerical details. "13 torpedo hits", it can be any sort of torp, a small or a big one, a nuke or a plasma torp.

One could consider this as propaganda. I have not similar faith to the performance of the vessel. And though they might seem strong, they are not that common (at least yet )

The BCs are the TAF's main Capital Ships with the ability to take over a world by itself.

I'd take this as propaganda to scare people off. Certainly, a world must be small for a BC to conquer it by itself.

The TAF may of lost the system, but Battlecruisers was able to fight it longer then the average Chironian capital ship there. At one point, a Battlecruiser took about 13 direct Torpedoe hits along with additional Disruptor damage before being destroyed or when a Battlecruiser got kamikaze by a Chironian ship around Terra Nova and survived.

Sounds reasonable, as said, they are scarce and can be easily overwhelmed with smaller ships of greater number. I would think that a ship of equal battle, size and speed class would not survive a one-on-one encounter with a BC.
Remember the Scion Ion cannons. They give great battle performance, but reduce the speed and maneuvrability, not to mention the "power down" effect it causes, like the Excalibur's main guns in the debacle Crusader.

Actually, there only a few Battlecruisers were actually completly destroyed. They sure can take a lot of beating and with additional improvements, the BC could be almost impossible to destroy.

1. "With additional improvements". So it is lacking in some terms, and it is probably impossible to improve some aspects before the ship class is made completely redundant.

2. "The BC could be almost impossible to destroy". See part 1, also, there are some conditions here, "almost" and "could"... It's not carved in stone.

3. "Actually, there only a few Battlecruisers were actually completly destroyed."

Well, many crippled to very bad condition. Maybe they have a bit sturdier hull which can endure even a reactor explosion.

All in all, I have no doubt that the Terran Battlecruiser can be destroyed in battle. Just not easily, if not then what would be point of constructing such a ship?

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Queen Sanchez, ruler of the Saturn moons and Empress of Earth. Kessel could live with that.

Ah... the Unified Kingdom of Sol... ruled by Maria of course!

I guess I should wait for more stuff to happen. I and my faction are extremelly unhappy about the Terran deal with the Hive. We consider such evil empires a threat to humankind. In my coming post (far in the future - I am quite busy), we'll negotiate deals with the SSSH colonies in Saturn orbit. One Q on this:

Would joining up all colonies in the Saturn region and declaring independence from EC trigger another succession war? If so, what would TA do? Otherwise, we'll concentrate on producing and improving our Organic ship designs... Just in case...

Would Morgan be interested in trading some industrial development techs for some advanced biotechnology?