Beyond Alpha Centauri:: Discussion Thread 2

[Sovereign]

Sprayber,

Hmm... that does pose an interesting idea. Its just that I haven't seen University mentioned a lot in the stories, so that naturally led me to assume that relations between University and the other factions would be either minimal or nonexistent.

I have an idea how to integrate these contacts. Project "Exploration" begins in 2650, University manages to find Morganites, Spartans, and Gaians. No contact with Hive and Believers since they are on the opposite side of human sector. University develops trade with Morganites with low-end technologies. No trade of Tachyon beams, Neutronium hulls, matter compression, and any level 7 technologies. (Note: I refer to SMAC's technology levels, such as Explore 8, Conquer 10, Build 11, etc. to give a good rough estimate of University's technology level)

Historyguy, I'd like Univ to have trading treaty with your faction Morganites.

Gaians: no relations due to absence of Gaian writer.

Sprayber, how would you like relations between Univ. and Spartans? Should it just be acknowledgement of each other borders and existence, or should we sign a peace treaty, resolving past conflicts like you said, allowing diplomats and trade?

Mr. President, what about Univ - Drone relations? trade or just knowledge of existence?

Kassopiea, what about Terran - Univ relations? Perhaps a treaty of trade and friendship?

FC, I'd like an alliance that reflects our good history together from Chironian days.

Silence, Univ has a vendetta after Believers assisinated Zhakarov.

Univ has no contact with PK's due to the absence of a PK writer.

Lonestar, how would you like Univ's relations? Perhaps neutrality or friendship? Seeing that my faction is advanced enough for you to perhaps be interested in a few technologies such as Tachyon beams, and my ability to either damage or cripple nano-tech hull regenration from ionization effects of Tachyon weapons...

Hmm, can't think of anything else...

[Lonestar]

Hmm...I'm actually thinking about starting a BAC: Dawn of the Protectorate Story Thread, about the orgin of the Protectorate. Think I should?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Sovereign


Lonestar, how would you like Univ's relations? Perhaps neutrality or friendship? Seeing that my faction is advanced enough for you to perhaps be interested in a few technologies such as Tachyon beams, and my ability to either damage or cripple nano-tech hull regenration from ionization effects of Tachyon weapons...

It could Damage the hull, but not greatly more so than any other weapons. The redeeming factor of Nanohulls are that they are self-healing, at a much quicker rate than "Organic" hulls. Also, the hulls are very, very tough, perhaps the toughest(human) out there.

As for a technology transfer? Read my timeline, we're up to our asses in technology. And we prefer to be alone, going so far as to destroy other human vessels that foolishly wander into Beta Hydri.

Which is of course why Spraber appears to be getting ready to send a expidition to Protectorate space. I forsee much conflict in the future.

[Sovereign]

good idea Lonestar!

More backstory for all factions would be a great idea, so people can have a pretty good idea of what the factions are like, what shaped them, their culture, etc.


Hrmm... I doubt your faction has Tachyon beams... and it is a level above chaos guns. Univ has Yamato cannons that can compare to your particle cannons... Neutronium hulls mean potential ramming

don't think I'm an easy target for your "destroy explorers"

[Frankychan]

Whew,

Ok here's my responses:

Sprayber: Yer welcome. just trying to cover Emperor Yang's butt. I have to rethink the Hive plotline now that I know Kessel doesn't care about our government...I was under the assumption that he wanted a new form of government for the GHE. My bad!

Lonestar: Thanks for the pic. I'll try see if I can shrink it down to fit better on the page. Maybe I'll just cut the head and post it.

I guess a war would be alright. Peace first--->definetely. But lets try and work out how we could start our little "quarrel"...

Sovereign: I like your idea of two ships meeting. One possibility (if you can think of something better, please do) is that a University ship becomes damaged-sends out a distress signal-and is discovered by the Hive ship going to system LP 658-2.

Of course, if you think of something better, use that instead-just throwing em out wildly here. Also, what about your image on the GHE relations page? Zakharov or University seal? Also, are you still University of Planet or something else?

For the alliance, YES!!!. Absolutely! But we would have to write up how the GHE and University would form it!

Mr. President: Since the Firaxians are a 'free-port' world. The GHE has probably heard of them, but that's about it. We've probably heard about your 'banquet', no doubt a plan to destroy the GHE, and might visit later....and as cold-hearted as we may be, Yang does respect the Firaxian reputation as being neutral (kinda like Switzerland and Germany during WWII). As for the suitcase nukes, *whiny voice*Do we have to?*whiny voice*

As for the Firaxian seal, do you want me to use the one on the 'Sign-In' thread?

Silence: I think I've found a more challenging task for your SoG ships. I gotta think it more through first, then I'll get back to you.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Sovereign
good idea Lonestar!
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Hrmm... I doubt your faction has Tachyon beams... and it is a level above chaos guns. Univ has Yamato cannons that can compare to your particle cannons... Neutronium hulls mean potential ramming

don't think I'm an easy target for your "destroy explorers"

Only if your faction blunders into one of the three system I control. Obviously, in open space the playing field is a bit more level.

And, as it's the Protectorate National Sport to scatter agents (Chironians call them Probe teams, we call them "Ghosts" ) throughout known Human space, we probaly know a bit (just a bit, mind you) more about you than you will about us.

[Silence]

An vendatta that lasted this long eh? Fine btw if anybody wants to contact me via ICQ just type in my email adress rmateson@uti.com in it or just send me a email (though I check my mail once every couple of weeks).

Spraybear: You a reason for why the ship is there? They are on a grand tour of the human galaxy selling Conclave Bibles.

Kass: How many taskforces are at Capella?

[Sovereign]

Silence, imagine the hatred a faction has when its founding father and great leader is assassinated. Imagine if England did assassinate George Washington, America would hate England for far longer, and perhaps not help them in WW1 and WW2. Just my two cents.

However, after almost 300 years, Univ may begin to feel more forgiving towards Believers, especially after looking to patch things up with Sparta.

Silence, how would a brief Vendetta sound, then an blood pledge... and perhaps peace later on? Such is the nature of wars. America hated England, but eventually pledged truce and then peace, and now allies. That could happen with Believers. Who knows?

[Mr. President]

Sovereign: University-Drone trade relations is fine for me.

Franky: Feel free to use the Firaxis logo on the sign-in thread, since I can't be bothered making another one.

I might, however, make maps of Vega and the World of Trees (if the attachment function is kind to me).

As for faction backstories, I'm writing a story set in the universe of Beyond Alpha Centauri, around the beginning of the exodus from Planet. It's called The Hunt, and is currently only two paragraphs long, but will appear eventually.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mr. President
Sovereign: University-Drone trade relations is fine for me.

Franky: Feel free to use the Firaxis logo on the sign-in thread, since I can't be bothered making another one.

I might, however, make maps of Vega and the World of Trees (if the attachment function is kind to me).

As for faction backstories, I'm writing a story set in the universe of Beyond Alpha Centauri, around the beginning of the exodus from Planet. It's called The Hunt, and is currently only two paragraphs long, but will appear eventually.

You guys are talking about the one I put up there aren't you? I went back and tried to find one and didn't see any. Then I thought will duh, they mean the one I put up.

[Frankychan]

Sorry Sprayber,

Yeah, I meant the seal you most graciously created for the Firaxians. Thanks for making it, now I gotta post it up!

[Sprayber]

Franky and Kass: It's not polite to keep the leader of the Spartan Federation waiting.

[Mellian]

Originally posted by kassiopeia


I am sure that that can be arranged, since now the Terrans are rich with systems (Wolf, Ross 128). Capella is a double (or was it triple) star system, which has only one, Mars-like planet called Terra Nova which is going to be engulfed by one of the system's suns in some over hundred years.
The defences there are somewhat lacking in strength, and there have been attempts to conceal the true state of the military forces there, but it definately is relying on TAF Taskforces and elementary orbital platforms.
The colony's main task is to serve as a depot for long-distance flights and for research, some mining exists but not in large quantities.
And I recall the colony being eight day's travel away of Sol, so any thoughts of reinforcement troops there is impossible.
But for a bargain, I for the very least request that at the Capella assault, the Terrans find out that the Believer's are in it for Morgan.

Concerning the tactics of the TAF Task Forces located in the Capella story, keep it vague.....but won't be easy to take them out. Like said before, Terran Battlecruisers are tough to kill....... even harder in numbers....

Capella Defences:

-3 TAF Task Forces
-Dozen or so Orbital Defence Platforms armed with Fusion Ship-Busters (Planetbusters in space...and they are bigger then the average anti-ship missiles... think US or Soviet Nuke missiles for comparison in size) and a single large Fusion Laser. They look like the OBS around Earth in Babylon 5, where Sheridan's forces had to take out.
-Various Civilian ships, which will naturally retreat.

Will post the Battlecruiser and Task Force stats in the Datalinks.

-LMP

[Frankychan]

Sorry Sprayber,

Was getting too caught up into making the webpage. Just learned how so I'm pretty psyched. I also have mid-terms till Thursday but I'll see what I can cook up.

[Mellian]

Sprayber agreed that I could use the three stars in the far southwest of the map, the ones arranged in a triangular shape (Nova Prime, Zak Prime, and Univeralis Prime). He set these aside for the University, and it is a good distance away from Chiron, I think about 2,000 light years, taking the realism of the 100,000 light year across galaxy into account. If we use the 10 light years per year FTL drive, it would take University until 2621 to arrive in the three star systems. 79 years isn't much time to build 1,000 spaceships, develop all that technology, etc. So I was thinking of Mr. President's idea... with something thrown in.

2000 lightyears??? way to far to get involve in BAC and if the three stars is in the map, it is not 2000ly From Sol to the edge of the map is like 100-200ly away....... The Core of Human Space is like 50ly radius from Sol. I don't know where you got the 2000 lightyears from

University engages their own experimental FTL drive to enable them to go even faster, but something happens. University accidentally finds Side-Space, the next level of FTL drive (like Star Trek's Transwarp) but lack the sufficient technology to operate it. So University is thrown through Side-Space and suffers some damage to their colony ship fleet. However, University keeps knowledge of Side-space, and Side-Warp (100 times as fast as FTL) propulsion a secret even though they lack the technology to utilize it. University could discover the technologies for Side-Warp just before the big Progenitor invasion or by M.Y. 2800 or 2900. FTL eventually will be improved on by other factions as the centuries go by right?

I suggest we stay with the Quantum Tunnel FTL Theory and that we stay away from getting into details about FTL stuff. Only way to get faster is to refine the current FTL technologies. Also better to stay away from Transwarps and Wormholes for now too. Again, University isn't 2000ly away and won't allow it, way to freaking far to make much difference

As for the ship-fleet. 1,000 ships it is then. How does 100 battleships / dreadnoughts, 300 heavy cruisers, and 600 destroyers, light cruisers, etc. sound? Transports aren't counted seeing that they aren't necessarily a part of the military.

Yes, when we say the size of fleets, non-combat and civilian ships are not counted. Your numbers are okay and the numbers is just in average, not ment to be exact

Hope these ideas are O.K. so that I can finally start my piece!!

Almost there

-LMP