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  • Originally posted by DarlinKell
    my 2 cents....... you need a main leading lady...... tall, red hair, green eys....... ya know....... something like me...hehehe
    We need a little more spice in this story. Sure it's fine to have gigantic interstellar wars and what have you, but you've gotta do something in between.
    Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost.

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    • Like your timeline Sovereign,

      But some of your events do kinda clash with the official timeline. Maybe just rearranging it a little would help. One thing that you might wanna clear up is this:

      2400-Spartans and Hive launch separate attacks on University territory. Peacekeepers intervene on behalf of the University.


      If we did indeed invade your territory, I don't know how we can still be on good terms w/you. However, my timeline says that in 2400-the Hive signs a peace treaty with the PK's. I guess at the beginning of 2400 we did good, but by the end of the year we were getting our butts handed to us.

      Maybe it was all a big misunderstanding Prokhor Randius? In any case, I do like your timeline! I think the University has gained a valuable friend!

      University---> <---G.H.E.
      Despot-(1a) : a ruler with absolute power and authority (1b) : a person exercising power tyrannically
      Beyond Alpha Centauri-Witness the glory of Sheng-ji Yang
      *****Citizen of the Hive****
      "...but what sane person would move from Hawaii to Indiana?" -Dis

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      • Franky: You can't be friendly with everyone In my opinion a Hive-Protectart conflict would be interesting story. It could be a comunist russian-nazie germany type war all over again. Nothing entertains more than seeing two evil empires try and destroy each other.
        Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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        • Hmm... I didn't know about the official timeline.... could someone help me out how to modify my history to match the official timeline? I'm pretty new at this collobration stuff but I really want to give it a try.

          FC, I stated that I left Chiron by 2353, before your Hive conflict in the 2400's. How can we work out stuff? Maybe University and Hive relations could use some work... Maybe Hive thought University was helping Spartans then invade them only to realize University was fighting Spartans, and Hive decides to aid University's military, therefore keeping our good relations?

          Any ideas or feedback would be appreciated to fix my timeline, then I'll finally be able to start my piece. All I need is a good "jump-off" board.
          Geniuses are ordinary people bestowed with the gift to see beyond common everyday perceptions.

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          • Originally posted by Sovereign
            Hmm... I didn't know about the official timeline.... could someone help me out how to modify my history to match the official timeline? I'm pretty new at this collobration stuff but I really want to give it a try.

            FC, I stated that I left Chiron by 2353, before your Hive conflict in the 2400's. How can we work out stuff? Maybe University and Hive relations could use some work... Maybe Hive thought University was helping Spartans then invade them only to realize University was fighting Spartans, and Hive decides to aid University's military, therefore keeping our good relations?

            Any ideas or feedback would be appreciated to fix my timeline, then I'll finally be able to start my piece. All I need is a good "jump-off" board.

            Your stuff is good. You may just rework the dates and change some of the specifics to fit the timeline.
            Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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            • hmmmmmm........ well Spray hunny......... now ya got my interest peaked.... i'm gonna have to check into this stuff now!!!
              DarlinKell..... =)

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              • Sprayber, where can I find the official timeline? I can't seem to find it, at least you guys version of Chiron events.

                Could someone help me out on this? I just want to get things right to make a good story. Franky and Spray I'd appreciate any information regarding the official timeline so I can edit my timeline post.
                Geniuses are ordinary people bestowed with the gift to see beyond common everyday perceptions.

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                • Originally posted by Sovereign
                  Guys, I'll write up a timeline... do you want it in the Sign-up thread or in here... or should I include important dates in my pieces... like flashbacks or what?

                  Silence.... The few can defeat the many if provided sufficient technological superiority. Look at a few hundred Spanish musketeers taking down a whole Inca and Aztec empires... 1,000 European Infantry taking down an Zulu force of 25,000...

                  Be ready for anything
                  Not quite sure about Zule capper, but the Aztec campaign was certinally more then those Spanish soliders, since they also took advatage of the local legend, and they had considerable help from a mass army of natives that were really angry at the Aztec for killing their people every year.
                  "I do think that it is important to realize that wars are ugly and vile and that there better be a damned good reason for getting involved in one. Because the price for somebody is going to be very, very high."

                  David Weber

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                  • Originally posted by Cybergod


                    So will they take any action against the Queen? We will be willing to cooperate with the TA in a sense that we will share research data regarding Biotechnology or any research data but wish to offer no military support as it would ruin good relations between the Kingdom and the Morganities. I think that Maria would like to promote peace between the people of Sol and Morganities, which would be the best solution for them (trade and $$$ from Morgan, diplomacy and tech from TA).
                    Fine, but as long you don't pass intel information to the morganites, TAF will not bother Titan, as they have better things to do... but TAF will do something if Titan becomes a liability, a problem, during the war.... or to the defence of sol in general.

                    Mellian, is it okay if we start colonising other moons of Saturn? Titan has become overcrowded due to the horrible Planned colonial economy run by the colony's previous owner.
                    TAF will not mind.... but don't ask me, other Sol factions may happen to have claims on the other moons like EC and InEn
                    Titan declared independence, not all of the Saturn Region.

                    -LMP

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                    • Originally posted by Sovereign
                      Sprayber, where can I find the official timeline? I can't seem to find it, at least you guys version of Chiron events.

                      Could someone help me out on this? I just want to get things right to make a good story. Franky and Spray I'd appreciate any information regarding the official timeline so I can edit my timeline post.
                      Its on the previous page. I posted it to help you decide yours before I noticed you even had posted one.
                      Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                      • Re: University!!!

                        I was thinking about starting the University off somewhat distanced from the most human factions. I think perhaps a good location would be near both Tarn and Gorn space, at like, the northeastern corner of the human sector.
                        Not sure where the Tarn is....but University would be bordered with the Gorn and the Drone Republic.

                        As for technology... How does Plasma Lasers sound? Think Star Wars rapid lasers crossed with Star Trek's phasers. Rapid reddish lasers like a machine gun. It would do comparable damage to Procterate's particle cannons or TAF's Ion Cannons (remember University has potential to create advanced weaponary, but doesn't have military like Hive, Sparta, TAF, or Proctrate.
                        Plasma Lasers? Starwars uses Burst Laser cannons then trying continuous. Anyway, the description is like a Gatling Laser, but plasma powered?

                        Ion beam Cannons: Big Cannons that requires a lot of space and power. It is mainly a big anti-ship weapon comparible to the Ion Beams in Homeworld and the big carving beam weapons in Freespace 2. Stronger then Particle Cannons by Strength and Power, so heck of lot more damage. But largely inferior still to Fraal's "Phaser" Cannons/Arrays. Only the TAF as it these weapons, but seriously haven't use them in a real space combat yet. So generally unknown to all factions Want these to be a surprise for the war

                        Particle Cannons: slightly better then Chaos/Disruptors as it does more Piercing Damage and it is Continuous beam shots. Examples is the beams cannons of the Minbari ships in Babylon 5.

                        Chaos/Disruptors: Does Piercing damage, but not as much as the Particle Cannon as it is mainly not continuous. Fires only in Bolts of Disrupting Energy (disrupts the molecules). Example, the Disruptor cannons in Master of Orion 2 and the Klingon weapons in Startrek.

                        Pulse Cannons: can have Burst or Continuous types of Pulse Cannons and its use is quite diversified (from heavy anti-ship guns to Point Defence). Doesn't do as much damage as the Chaos/Disruptors, but still good enough for this day and age of space combat.

                        Laser: Burst and Continuous options, but worthless in this day and age of Space Combat as it doesn't isn't strong enough. Only usefull for Point Defence and Anti-Fighter guns. Gatling Lasers just as an higher rate of fire.

                        Fusion Lasers: Like the normal laser, but dishes out more damage. Depending on the mount, can do more damage then Pulse or Chaos/Disruptor. As Heavy Continuos Anti-Ship guns, it is one step towards Ion Cannons.

                        Plasma Cannons: Can throw a lot of firepower, but it is mainly Brute force then Piercing like most Energy Weapons. Plasma Cannons is mainly use for heavy ship-to-ship combat then against fighters and small ships. Plasma Cannons not as effective against Nano and Neutronium Armor. It is a plasma energize projectiles mainly... so an Hybridh of Energy and Projectile you can say.

                        Mass Cannons: (not use by anyone, just got it from Star*Drive) An Energy weapon. Mainly the next generation from Plasma Cannons. Not projectile, just pure bolts of Kinetic Energy. Use of this weapon would be better at Ship-to-Ship combat.

                        there is all of the Energy Weapons currently in use in BAC as far as i know...and all making realitic sense (except the Mass Cannon) In my opinion, Plasma Lasers doesn't make sense but that is me. If you want a big Heavy Weapon, University can be the only other faction to have Ion Beam Cannons, but had them longer then TAF

                        Armors... Neutronium armor, based on SMAC's version with matter compression, comparable to nanotech hulls of Procterate and Bio-Armor of TAF and to a lesser extent, Scions. Neutronium armor is difficult to pentrate with projectile weapons, can be breached by multiple energy weapons focused on one spot, and is impervious to collision damage from asteroids and some suicidal ships like the Soldiers of God...
                        TAF currently doesn't use Biometal in their ships yet, just their ground forces Anyway, Neutronium Armor i am willing to accept Just won't have the healing like effect once the armor gets damaged. Nano Armor slowly repairs itself by using Nanites and Biometal pretty much regenerates.

                        Government, part American/Russian democracy and part lineage. You see, I plan on the University shunning artifical enhancements to their bodies such as bio-metal for Scions, MMI like Cyborgs, and yes, even longveity treatments. The Provost title is handed down from Zhakarov through his son Randius, up to Randius XVIII (18th) by 2700. The University believes that research comes from the human mind and their ingenuity. They feel that artifical enhancements may diminish "What is Human? What is called the Human Mind?". Remember, a lot could have changed from Zhakarov's time to the 2700's. The University could become philosophical and devoted fully to research and technology to better Humanity instead of enhancing humans artifically. This could make the Fraal more receptive towards University, since from what I know, the Fraal prefers natural evolution rather than artifical.
                        Longivity isn't Articifial just to say it is just genetic alteration. Also, University is known to be the ones who got the Longivity Vacine.... which would naturally pass down to children.... so there would be Chironians who wouldn't need to get the vacine to live very long as it is genetics! As not liking MMI and so on, that could be related to the fact that the Cybernetic Consciousness splintered off from University long time ago on Chiron Only time i could see a group going to the extremes with Genetics is they start growing more limbs, create super soldiers, restructure genetics so a human being can live in various environments and etc...... So maybe University doesn't like going to extremes with various technologies?

                        When i say the Fraal prefers Natural Evolution, I mean Natural technoligical evolution and growth without any help of some technological artifact, or gaining techs from an advance race and etc. So Fraals don't mind Cyborgs or the Scions...actually, they like the Scions, Cyborgs, Gaians and so on then they rest of Humanity. Anyway, with University belief and ideology, Fraal may be fond of university as well

                        -LMP

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                        • Re: Re: University!!!

                          Originally posted by Sprayber


                          link to map:




                          Remember that part of the map is where the Hive is generaly located as well as the Believers and Bree. That may not be a good place for a smallish faction to be located. When I made the map I simply put the University out of the way because they were not controlled by anyone. Named Zak Prime, Nova Prime and a third planet. Located on the left side mid way. (I couldn't come up with a better name.)
                          Sovereign

                          I slightly screwed on the last post, thinking NorthWestern then North Eastern..... like Sprayber says, better to think elsewhere.... like far North Western (bordering with the Drones and Bree) or Close South Western (bordering up with Drones, Morganites and Terran Alliance.


                          But if you want to be in a crowded neigborhood then ok. (Maybe its not too late to move Sparta ) The University will have slightly higher technologies then the other human factions since they have avoided going to war since the days on Chiron. Their military size shouldn't be too high.
                          People!!! Don't forget the Peacekeepers, geez I almost did too..... I orginally thought the Hive would be in the Far North West area, bordering with the Spartans and Drones.... The Map is screwed up as it doesn't match the story!!! Ain't the Bree suppose to be bordered up with the Drones as well?

                          okay, here is the map in words...the way i originally saw it use the clock and campus system, using Sol as the center point.

                          Terran Alliance is at the Core of Human Space, controlling Sol.

                          Morganites controls territory from Close to Far south of Sol, leaning west....

                          Spartans, from close to far, their territory spans 10 to 12 o'clock of Sol.

                          Drones, from close to medium distance, is located from East to North East. bordered with the Morganites, Hive, Spartans and the Bree a bit.

                          Hive is located in the Far North West area, bordering with the Bree, Spartans and Drones.

                          Peacekeepers, from Close to medium distance, their territory spans from North East to South East, bordering up with many factions.... and they mainly control Alpha Centauri. believers is practicly located in the middle of Peacekeeper territory, but they are bordered a bit to the Terran Alliance.

                          the Gaians... not where they would be......

                          Protectorate.. Beta Hydri is located east of Sol.... but since they currently have territorial interaction with the Hive... on the assumption that the Hive is in the far North East region... So we have a Conflict here. but if we have the hive in the North east, then there would be some conlict concerning the Spartan-Hive intereaction, Ironholm suppose to be close to Hive territory no?

                          One big screw up with the map reorganized by Sprayber is his merging of BAC map over the Starwars galaxy map......making the galaxy lot smaller then it is galaxy is like over 100 000 lightyears in length and width, and Human Space in BAC is a area of 50-100ly radius from Sol.
                          Sol is located close to the edge of Galaxy then towards the Galactic Core just to say.

                          As for the Aliens, my assumption was that the Proginators is located in the Deep Space to the North, closer to the Galactic Core then Humanity......and the Bree located in the Deep Space North West of Sol. As for the Gorn, not sure... but i orginally guess it was in the Deep Space North West of Sol as well, side by side with the Bree.

                          Now, we also have the Dosi to locate....which needs to be close to Proginator Space.... Deep Space North East of Sol i say? also not to far from Beta Hydri....but won't exactly be bordered thought......... best option to slan Proginator space more towards North East, pushing the Dosi down a bit more so they can have better interaction with the Protectorate as Lonestar suggest.

                          Anyway, as for university.... orginally thought to have them in the Tau Ceti area....almost between the Morganites and Drones, but University space is small too... so Morganites and Drone can border up, or simply have short distance for trade and interaction.

                          So in Conclusion, Starmap badly needs fix up before we gaian more players and new factions!!!

                          -LMP

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                          • Originally posted by Sovereign
                            Sprayber, thanks for pointing out my error... I forgot to check out your map. University will indeed be located in Zak, Nova, and Univeralis Prime (the 3rd unnamed star).

                            Univeralis Prime: Solar System 1 with the 2 Earth Planets... Pop: 3 billion... settled in 2353, after University discovered Spaceflight, then found the Star-Gate by accident and was warped to the three star systems. The University had almost 350 years to colonize that region... Nova Prime will be Solar System 2, with the 5 Mars planets and the oceanic planet (Waterworld, anyone?) and has about 50 million people living in sea-cities and the terraforming cities on the Mars worlds... Zak will be desginated as Solar System 3, mostly young and rugged with a lot of raw minerals to exploit but sucks for population centers... about 2 million miners, defense personnel, support personnel, and hardy colonists determined to try and colonize the volanic planets.
                            Can't have to many Stargate accidents also depends where the three stars is first..... if it is in a short distance from Alpha Centauri, then don't need any Stargate accident..... else, will become too suspicious and Humanity discovering the Stargate network, which will not be good and won't allow in this point of the game..... maybe after the Proginator War in the long term


                            Military... University has 3 battleships, 6 carriers, 12 Heavy cruisers, 24 destroyers... and thats it for the whole 3 systems. (1 battleship, 2 carriers, 4 cruisers, and 8 destroyers per system) Also, these ships tend to have green crew... no experience in serious combat. However, University makes up for this huge lack in offensive capability by incredible defensive systems. University tends to focus more on fortifying its 3 home systems aganist invaders and unwanted "tech-stealers"
                            Better that University as a Fleet of 1 000 ships or more... especially if other factions are going into the thousands of ships and don't have to have an exact fleet run down, unless you want to of course


                            Therefore, University has orbital batteries, defense platforms, and multiple scanners to scan for cloaked or sneaky forces. the defenses are armed with Space to Space Xaos entropy missiles, and the Plasma Lasers. My Xaos is loosely derived from the Xaos from Civ: ToT. I'm not a huge science nerd but from what I understand... Entropy is a technology that maxmizies the potential of something to blow up... correct me if I'm wrong and I'll be willing to amend it. Make it something similiar, to missiles that can deliver multiple warheads to a given area.
                            Tachyon Scanners are the best to detect cloak ships but need to build big Sensor Platforms to do so As for Plasma Lasers, go back to my last post. and what is entropy? You mean a MIRV missile? How about Ship-Buster Missiles with MIRV capability, which splits up into smaller missiles to cause a wider area of damage. Ship-Busters, like Planet Busters, are missiles that doesn't make sense for Capital Ships to carry, as it would take much room Are those missile Fusion? and won't allow Quantum ones just to say.... hopw about Antimatter Missiles? or Merculite.... cause more damage then Fusion, but not as good as Antimatter (which needs a good warhead casing for, which TAF is still trying to perfect so they can easily replace their new Merculite missiles, lol)

                            Hows these for reality, Sprayder and LMP? I'd appreciate any feedback! So I can finally begin writing my piece and not go too far regarding general rules of reality in this story
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                            have a better entrance then Lonestar had, lol

                            -LMP

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                            • Sovereign

                              I read your timeline... don't have to go in details about what happened before the factions started going into Space. Mainly worry about the timeline after university discovered Faster Then Light travel (i suggest you don't go into details about FTL either, already been done ).

                              Current Chiron FTL drives takes a day to travel 10 lightyears in average... and 5 lightyears for Sol FTL Drives. Protectorate FTL is like 15 lightyears in average.

                              Sol FTL powered by Elerium 85 while current Chiron FTL is powered by Antimatter.... and Protectorate FTL is like powered directly from their Matter/Antimatter Reactors.


                              Main Types of Technology concerning Ships are:

                              FTL Drive

                              STL Drive

                              Reactor

                              Armor

                              Energy Weaponry

                              Projectile Weaponry

                              Missile/Torpedoe Weaponry

                              Sensors/Scanners

                              Stealth

                              Jammers

                              Point Defence

                              Shield (majority don't....making slow introduction and strong Armor is still better then Shields in current research on shields. Will only allow the Peacekeepers to be more advance in this field with Photon Walls type shield.... in BAC, not Startrek/Starwars type shields, only Babylon 5 type, which is crappy anyway where armor tech is better)


                              -LMP

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                              • Good heavens, you sure get busy when I am gone
                                I reckon that some greetings are in order; hi Sovereign, nice to have you with the University, and welcome DarlinKell, hope you like our little project here!

                                Frankychan, your site seems very ascetic, which at least the last time I checked was a Hive virtue

                                Just thinking a bit scientifically; About colonies on planetary bodies that do not possess an atmosphere. Now, the atmosphere's one very fortunate aspect is the fact that it burns down smaller asteroids. Without it, we would be continously bombarded by them, and going outside would make you practically Swiss-cheese.
                                Now, on colonies like Callisto, this poses a smallish problem. The habitation centres either need a) a very sturdy construction material to withstand such showers, or b) small force fields constituting the atmosphere. I would figure that option a) is more acceptable, since a shield is always very vulnerable to power outages and the like. However, in some situations a shield would be more useful, for example when doing an away mission on a moon that has no atmosphere.
                                All this, of course, depends on how often meteors and asteroids bombard such locations as Callisto, and at what levels.

                                Ok, must integrate new timelines to site, think of a post, read the story thread... This could constitute as working

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                                To: Terran Government
                                From: Greater Hive Empire

                                We would be happy to open diplomatic channels with you.

                                Please stop sending a wide-ban transmission!
                                Last edited by Kassiopeia; February 18, 2002, 16:35.
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